Marina Katys: Today we will talk about the quality of life of people with disabilities.

There are 11 million people with disabilities living in the Russian Federation, or 8 percent of the total population. Nearly 1.5 million people are recognized as disabled annually for the first time. Subsequently, a little more than 5 percent of them fully restore their ability to work and have no disabilities, while the remaining 95 percent remain disabled for life.

So why do we so rarely meet people in wheelchairs in educational institutions, community organizations, theaters and just on the street?

The answer is simple: the world around us is completely unsuitable for the normal life of people with disabilities. And sometimes several insurmountable steps at the entrance prevent a person from living fully: working, walking, traveling.

Next to me in the Moscow studio of Radio Svoboda is the chairman of the Moscow city organization of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, Alexander Nikolaevich Moshkovsky, and the head of the Snezhok children's ski school for disabled children with cerebral palsy, an invalid of the 2nd group, Boris Vasilyevich Minenkov.

And I have a question for our listeners: is society ready to make life easier for people with disabilities?

In order to immediately set a topic for conversation, I bring to your attention the material prepared by our correspondent in Samara, Sergey Khazov. He asked the townspeople: "Can Samara be considered a city convenient for disabled people?"

No, it is not possible, because, probably, not enough funds are allocated after all. A person close to me recently died, a disabled person of the second group. An oncological patient, she just got sick - and two weeks later she died. And all the medicines were at their own expense, but they did not provide medical assistance.

The city today is inconvenient for people with disabilities. The transport is not adapted so that the disabled person can easily enter or exit the transport. Houses are not equipped, entrances, especially for wheelchair users. I look at my entrance - there are no conditions at all, there is no lift. Crossings (especially for people with impaired vision or generally with loss of vision) are not equipped with traffic lights for a signal. So far, there is no attention to this.

No, of course not at all. There is no passage, no progress, you cannot approach the bus stop, there is mud all around, and there are piles of snow all around. You can't even walk on the sidewalk. I can hardly even walk. This is very bad! I have not given up any benefits, but I cannot get the medicine.

No, I don’t think so. Bad conditions, and do not pay attention to the elderly at all. Transport is also inconvenient. Although I walk on foot, you can say for the rest.

No, because even normal people cannot be in the city. Everything in transport is also inconvenient.

It seems to me that the city is not very comfortable. Here I am - a veteran, I tested an atomic bomb, they gave us permits every year, we are all irradiated. Since last year I have submitted my documents - and nothing. How many have traveled - it is useless, they do not give anything. I am a disabled person of the second group. They probably forgot about the people.

No, definitely, of course. In this case, the city is not for the life of the disabled. And the inaction of the authorities and the public.

No, of course not. Local authorities only do when you write a letter to them. No transport, no lifts - nothing. The only thing the Duma does for veterans and the disabled is Kirov Avenue, the only house, and the rest is abandoned. Just poor pensioners and poor people with disabilities.

I think not quite yet. There are not everywhere ramps at the entrances, it is difficult for them to enter transport. Well, in general, the attitude, it seems to me, of the people themselves. For example, a disabled person is sitting nearby - everyone is passing by, callous people.

In principle, you can be. We seem to have everything - health-improving medical institutions. In transport - yes, there are difficulties, of course, for people with disabilities. A populous city.

Marina Katys: And your comments, Boris Vasilievich Minenkov, are modern Russian cities adapted for people with disabilities?

Boris Minenkov: I don't know how about other cities, but I can say about Moscow - something is already appearing. In any case, ramps appear, railings appear. I can convey my personal impressions, because I walk on crutches (on the verge of getting around in a wheelchair), because at home I move on a chair on rollers. Appeared, appeared, but - not enough. The most important problem not only for disabled people, but also for healthy people - in winter: slippery, cleaning the sidewalks poorly. This is no longer the specificity of making the life of disabled people easier, but this is the general culture of our city and the workers of the communal services.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Boris Vasilievich. Alexander Nikolaevich Moshkovsky, you are visually impaired. From your point of view, for people who have poor vision, are Russian cities adapted to walk on them?

Alexander Moshkovsky: Indeed, the life of a disabled person in big cities is very difficult. A person with a disability has to face numerous obstacles that need to be overcome. Today, when you go out into the street, it is difficult to find a bus stop, it is difficult to understand which mode of transport came up, which bus number. The sidewalks are lined with cars. If earlier there was a sidewalk - a safety island, then today vehicles and cars can move along it. Today we listened to how difficult it is to live in Samara, but in Moscow in transport today we have made it even more difficult for people with disabilities to use it - we installed turnstiles. And it is very difficult for disabled people to enter transport. It is very difficult to understand where to attach the card, how it should work, whether the turnstile will move apart for passage. And people spend their health, their energy, which they could spend on other things, just to overcome, just to get to their workplace, to the institute, to the organization where they are registered.

Marina Katys: By the way, the Moscow authorities have introduced these turnstiles in public transport in order to somehow control the flow of passengers and avoid ticketless travel. But by doing so, they actually closed the doors of public transport for people with disabilities, because both a person with poor vision and a person on crutches (I’m not talking about disabled people in a wheelchair), in principle, cannot enter this type of transport.

Alexander Moshkovsky: They do come in, but with great difficulty. I would like the authorities, before introducing innovations in transport or in some other places, at first they would think that disabled people live here in the city, that they use transport, use shops, use various institutions.

Yes, in Moscow today there is a program "Ensuring unimpeded access for disabled people to the city's infrastructure", it was adopted in 2001, but many of the provisions of this program are still declarative. So far, only ramps, lifts are being made, but not all of this is still working, not everyone is still interested in seeing disabled people appear in institutions, theaters, public places. It is very sad to realize this today, but we are faced with it.

Marina Katys: Thank you. On March 12, 2000, in Beijing, at the International Summit of Non-Governmental Organizations on Disability Issues, Declaration of the Rights of Persons with Disabilities in the New Millennium. The summit participants identified the following priorities: overall improvement of the quality of life of people with disabilities; raising their social level; education; decently paid work; elimination of discriminatory attitudes and discrimination, as well as information and legal barriers and increasing the allocated resources to ensure equal participation of persons with disabilities in society.

And I have a question for our guests. Am I today people with disabilities as full members of society? And what, from your point of view, needs to be done to create conditions for these people for a normal existence in an urban or rural environment?

Boris Minenkov: It all depends on the person. He may have different life circumstances that turned him into a disabled person, and it all depends on the general mood and, of course, on the conditions that the state creates for such people. I can talk about people who have limited mobility. There used to be social systems that allowed people with disabilities to buy a car at a big discount. The latest decree deprived disabled people of purchasing cars at a discount. Is it good? Not very good, I think. We have to see people who move on crutches, and they work in different conditions in accordance with their professional capabilities.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Boris Vasilievich. Alexander Nikolaevich Moshkovsky, so that people with visual disabilities (and many of them work and many study) can confidently get to both the place of study and the place of work, what needs to be done by the city authorities so that all these circumstances do not become an insurmountable obstacle on their way?

Alexander Moshkovsky: Most likely, the city authorities need to think over everything clearly - every innovation that is used in transport, on the roads, must be agreed or tested on our disabled people. Indeed, today in the city there are over 120 sound traffic lights, and about 60 more are planned. You can cross the street along them, but it is also unsafe, because the culture of our drivers leaves much to be desired. Cars do not react to traffic lights and run over people and cause injuries. And this is today not only in Moscow, but throughout the country.

We need to clearly think over the conditions in the institutes where people study, in the underground transport that people use, so that it is convenient not only for healthy people, but also for disabled people. People should live normally, work normally.

And I would also like to add that today our disabled people cannot be full-fledged citizens of their state, because we are limited in many rights. Today we cannot take out a loan for housing construction, because you are disabled. If we want to insure our life, then we need to pay the insurance company several times more, because you are disabled. And so - at every step. We cannot use supermarkets today because they are not adapted for the visually impaired - everything is so complicated there, no one is waiting for us there, and we practically cannot shop there, we use small shops where sellers are still preserved. We face this every day. We are trying to fight, we are trying to appeal to the authorities, to the deputies, to the City Duma, the State Duma, we manage to solve something in Moscow, because this is the capital, but many things are still not resolved.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Alexander Mikhailovich. Boris Vasilievich, you have been the head of the Snezhok children's ski school for disabled children for 15 years.

How does the quality of life of these children change when they come to your school from the confined space of their apartments (and these are, as a rule, children with movement restrictions, that is, they actually do not walk with their peers, do not go to regular schools)?

Let's say the child was 12 years old when he came to you 15 years ago, and now this person is already 27 years old. After all, you keep track of the fate of your pupils - how does their life change after they come to your school?

Boris Minenkov: Undoubtedly! Our help provides about 50 percent improvement in the quality of their life, mainly due to their parents, their conditions.

We started this business in 1991, when we put out the first announcement in Arguments and Facts, and 30 people came to us - the kids hobbled, someone was led by the arms, someone was carried on a sled. And already 15 years have passed, as you said, and now, of my first wards, the girl Katya Znamenskaya graduated from a normal school, graduated from the university, the faculty of journalism, got married, gave birth to a child and works in the editorial office of the Russian Invalid newspaper. Two guys graduated from the Railway Institute. Another girl graduated from a commercial college, a computer specialist, has the first sports category in chess. Here are the facts for a long time of our existence.

But we accept small children all the time. Recently, we have been giving information to the newspaper Okruga, which is published in Moscow, they find us via the Internet, we have an e-mail address, we have been doing this for a long time.

Three years ago I had a boy - autistic, he was moving normally, but not confident. And his parents said that after the first two visits, he already perceived our classes as a holiday: white snow, blue sky, bright flags, kids all around. And most of my children are not isolated in apartments - they are in our team.

But we do not breed special sentiments with them - we show what needs to be done, how to do, parents are sure to participate in this matter, and those parents who have the strength and intelligence to understand and have the opportunity to visit us, the results occur the most satisfactory. The most important thing is that we do not so much work for children as for their parents. Because these children have been disabled since childhood, their life is like this, and how their parents guide them is how they perceive it. They take it even better than the so-called healthy children.

We are now studying in Krylatskoye. Alpine skiing is now fashionable, and smartly dressed little children arrive in luxurious cars, who scream, shout, do not want to ride. And our kids ride and do everything normally with the help of their parents.

And we invite new kids all the time. I can tell our phone -

131-43-02. The Snezhok Center is located in Krylatskoye, on Krylatskie Hills Street. Minenkov Boris Vasilievich.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Boris Vasilievich. You, Alexander Nikolaevich, talked about the need to teach healthy members of society the right attitude towards people with disabilities from childhood. In Japan, for example, there is such a training for high school students when - in order to give adolescents an understanding of what it means to be a person with disabilities - the children are blindfolded for a day, or they bandage one hand to the body for a day, or put the teenager in a wheelchair from which he has no right to get up until the end of the experiment. And during the day, these children experience what a person with disabilities experiences every day, living in this world. I must say that I saw the television footage of this experiment, and when the guys got out of these wheelchairs or were untied their eyes, their faces were completely shocked, and they said that they had understood so much during that day that they would never have understood in ordinary life. , and that their attitude towards people with disabilities has completely changed.

Alexander Nikolaevich, maybe it would be worthwhile to introduce such trainings in the Russian educational system? Because society can be changed only by changing the younger generation.

Alexander Moshkovsky: I believe that for the younger generation, yes, it is possible. But I would conduct this experiment with our officials, because in my work I very often visit various authorities and come across callousness and misunderstanding. And sometimes I myself propose: "Close your eyes, walk at least through your office with your eyes closed - and imagine how hard it is for people."

Today it is necessary (considering all these problems) to have a clear state policy in relation to the disabled. Probably, we need to have a ministry for the disabled, where we can raise our problems. Because people with disabilities are dealt with in Moscow, for example, the Department of Social Protection, the Public Relations Committee (and we find understanding with him, we solve many issues with them), but on a national scale we cannot control the solution of our problems - our proposals and letters remain where in the offices, in the waste paper.

Marina Katys: That is, it is rather possible to resolve some issues at the municipal level than at the federal level, right?

Alexander Moshkovsky: Yes, many issues have been resolved in the capital. There is a quota system for our enterprises, we receive money to create new jobs, money is allocated, the Moscow government allocated 20 million to us last year to create new jobs, we purchased over 120 computers.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Alexander Nikolaevich. We talked about how people with disabilities live in Russia. How do people with disabilities live in other European countries? For example, Germany has a solid legal framework supporting the equality of persons with disabilities and an extensive system of assistance to persons with disabilities through governmental and non-governmental organizations. Our Berlin correspondent Yuri Veksler asked 85-year-old Yakov Iosifovich Flid, who has been living in Germany for 10 years, about the situation of disabled people. Jacob Flid is a veteran and invalid of the Great Patriotic War; he lost his leg during the hostilities. Here's what he said.

Jacob Flid: I can say that all disabled people receive either a pension or an allowance that can be decently lived on. In addition, if a disabled person needs additional care, then he receives additional money, which he can use to hire a person who will take care of him. If the health condition of a disabled person deteriorates or he does not have enough funds to pay for more complex care, then he can live in a nursing home, where treatment and full care of disabled people is provided. If an ambulance is called for a disabled person, then an ambulance arrives quickly, regardless of the patient's age. I emphasize this because from conversations with my acquaintances in Moscow I know that there it is practically impossible to call an ambulance to a disabled person over 70, or you have to call a paid ambulance for which not everyone can pay. Medicines to be taken are covered. But recently, due to the economic situation in Germany, not all medicines are paid for in full.

Yuri Veksler: To what extent are the German institutions you visit - theaters, concert halls, public transport - adapted for a disabled person to use them?

Jacob Flid: Much has been done here for the convenience of disabled people. In almost all houses (with the exception of some very old ones), except for stairs, there are gentle slopes, and you can enter any house on a wheelchair. Any transport has an entrance for disabled people - if necessary, part of the floor is lowered, a disabled person can get on a bus or tram and go. If you come to the theater or somewhere else, then you also have the opportunity to enter, pass. Some benefits are even available for visiting theaters.

Hospitals provide payment for all procedures - treatment, hospital stay. The only exception is for those receiving benefits. They are also fully paid for their hospital stay, but money is deducted from the allowance for the time they were in the hospital. Hospital nursing is notable for the wonderful nursing care provided by the nursing staff.

Marina Katys: The story was told by a veteran and invalid of the Great Patriotic War, 85-year-old Yakov Iosifovich Flid, who now lives in the city of Nuremberg, Germany.

And we already have listener calls. We will first give the floor to Vadim from Moscow. Please, Vadim, we are listening to you.

Listener: Good evening. I work at the University on the Lenin Hills, and it amazes me (it was built, we know, in 1953) - this building is not provided at all for disabled people to study there. Several thousand students! It seems to me that it is simply impossible to climb there, I hardly see wheelchair users there, or that there would be something provided for the blind. There are so many passages inside the building, there even mothers-students can hardly cope with wheelchairs. This is the attitude of the communist regime, which is now said to have defended the interests of the disadvantaged! This is an example of the fact that even then no one defended, and now it is very bad to defend the interests of disabled people. And they educate students in such a spirit that they do not help if they see that the disabled person is walking. Here are two blind people - no one will lead them, no one will offer to see them off or help them down the stairs. So our country cannot give a moral, moral example to other countries that we blame. The same Balts, the same "orange" Ukrainians with Georgians and the like.

It seems to me that the main reason for this situation is that the disabled themselves do not demand anything for themselves, they are all submissive and even too submissive.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Vadim. Alexander Nikolaevich, what are really Russian invalids so submissive and do not demand anything for themselves?

Alexander Moshkovsky: I would not say that. There are people who are trying to protest, and there are many speeches in the press, on television, there are appeals to the president, there are appeals to Zurabov, the "best friend" of disabled people, who did a lot last year, in particular, the so-called 122nd law ...

But, unfortunately, there is no consolidation of disabled people so that we can declare in an organized way. All societies are divided, each society has its own problems, its own interests, and we have not yet succeeded in consolidating. Although life, probably in the near future, will raise such questions before us, and we will probably have to move on to more active actions for our disabled people.

Marina Katys: Thanks to Alexander Nikolaevich. And we are listening to Sergei from Moscow, please.

Listener: Hello. A very hot topic, by the way. And if we start a little with prehistory, it should be noted that back in 1273, the first law among all countries was adopted in England, which directly indicated the protection of the ecology and health of citizens in English cities. Including - it was forbidden to heat with coal in houses, because it caused suffocation in some citizens, especially in old age. Since then, of course, the fight for the environment and health has improved, and in developed countries a huge amount of work is being done to help people with disabilities.

I recently saw a foreign magazine and all these strollers are shown there. Of course, we have never dreamed of such here.

We have a huge GLAVK, where doctors work, a special commission for helping people with disabilities. All these people are an intellectual humanitarian profession, but the saying is very suitable for them - "the well-fed does not understand the hungry." Still, we need to think about people who have industrial injuries and have remained disabled, and there are a lot of them in our country. Thanks to.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Sergey. Indeed, you have raised a very serious topic about wheelchairs. In Russia, more than two million wheelchair users and more than 300 thousand people become disabled annually, and a third of them are under 40 years of age. And one of their main problems is the quality of these strollers. In Western countries, there are many models adapted to the very different cases. For example, an Israeli company has developed a new wheelchair model that will give people with disabilities additional freedom of movement. This chair will allow people suffering from various diseases that do not allow them to move freely, take country walks, get in and out of a car on their own, climb stairs, reach high shelves and even sink to the floor to play with children. It is a model with four driving wheels and the main know-how is a new type of wheels, which, thanks to a unique design and special rubber, can be converted into a device for climbing stairs.

And I have a question for Boris Vasilyevich Minenkov. As a person related to a technician, an associate professor at the Bauman Moscow State Technical University, who works with children with disabilities, what can you say about the quality of Russian wheelchairs for disabled people?

Boris Minenkov: You know, I am mostly familiar with the stroller from those people who use these strollers. I myself am on the verge, however, I am, I move along the street on crutches, and I travel around the apartment in an office chair on wheels, but, of course, the best thing is the German company Maira, whose carriages are electrically driven, all systems. Now there are 3-4 types of Russian strollers for 20 types, which are sold, for example, in a wheelchair store in Amsterdam. Well, it all depends on the cost, because a good "Mayra" stroller has the cost of about a "Zhiguli" car.

Marina Katys: That is, it is far from being available to everyone.

Boris Minenkov: Not everyone. And now, according to the 122nd law, the possibility of getting these wheelchairs free of charge has been sharply reduced.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Boris Vasilievich. And we are listening to Alexander Vasilyevich from Moscow.

Listener: Hello. For the second year I have been unable to call a doctor from the polyclinic to my mother, she is 84 years old, in order to prescribe glasses for her. She has coxarthrosis of the knees, she is disabled, she cannot walk at all, only she can hardly move around the apartment. So, for the second year I cannot call a doctor to her to prescribe glasses. What can be said about this? I called the chief doctor of the clinic - it's useless.

Marina Katys: Why are you denied?

Listener: I myself wanted to go to the polyclinic, called at the end of last month, and they told me that the appointment with the ophthalmologist from the 13th day of this month - at the end of the month. To be honest, my hip hurts, there is also coxarthrosis of the hip joint, and people begin to gather there by 6 am, and until 8 o'clock, when the clinic opens, you have to stand outside for 2 hours. So I consider myself not an invalid yet, although, to be honest, I am already retired and it is very difficult for me. And it is impossible to get to the ophthalmologist in such a state.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Alexander Vasilievich, for your call. And we are listening to Zinaida Nikolaevna from Moscow.

Listener: I am the wife of a war veteran, very elderly, he will soon be 94 years old, he is paralyzed, but he is fully conscious, lies and watches TV. He has such a problem now. We need a functional bed, the money has been allocated, and since June our Sokolniki Council simply does not formalize this matter and that's all. I think this is just a mockery!

Marina Katys: What are the reasons?

Listener: You see, he needs a special bed. We have no one, I can’t lift him, my hands are already aching, and I just can’t get it through. They keep silent and only, although I know that the money has been allocated, everything is fine there, but let's, as they say, make fun of you a little.

Marina Katys: Zinaida Nikolaevna, we sympathize with you very much, but, unfortunately, we cannot help you in any way. Maybe the fact that your words were heard on the air will somehow affect the fate of this getting a bed.

As for the situation in foreign countries - in the United States, in Oakland, California, there is the World Institute for Disability Issues, it was created in 1983. This institution is funded primarily by government and private grants, as well as donations from individuals and businesses. And one of the goals of the institute is to collect and disseminate truthful information about the situation of people with disabilities in the United States. The information is brought to the attention of the authorities and the public. Thus, the institute contributes to the creation of new jobs, housing architecture for the needs of people with disabilities, and so on. One of the most prestigious programs is the creation of an Internet network that provides people with disabilities with full access to information services and computer data banks.

And I have a question for our guests. Does something like this exist in Russia? Alexander Nikolaevich, is there any institution that would deal with the problems of people with disabilities in Russia?

Alexander Moshkovsky: There is no institute as such. There are departments in several universities that deal with these problems, defend candidate's and doctoral ones.

Marina Katys: But this is all work - for yourself. And for the disabled, so that the authorities hear about the problems, so that the disabled themselves can exchange information?

Alexander Moshkovsky: It is very difficult for the authorities to hear these problems. The authorities today are busy with other problems, and it is difficult for them to hear the disabled.

Marina Katys: But this is still 8 percent of the country's population.

Alexander Moshkovsky: Yes, that's a lot. In Moscow there are more than 1 million 200 people with disabilities today, and this is a very large figure for the capital.

Marina Katys: But the authorities do not hear.

Alexander Moshkovsky: We have to regret it.

Marina Katys: Boris Vasilievich, if we talk about creating an Internet network that would help people with disabilities to communicate with each other, exchange information, receive information about existing government and non-government programs, who could, from your point of view, do this? Maybe students of the Bauman Institute?

Boris Minenkov: Maybe students of the Bauman Institute. Our MVTU is characterized by the fact that we have a training program for hearing-impaired students who are hard of hearing or speak poorly. I have been working with them for several years now, I teach them the strength of materials. And there are very smart kids with whom we talk on this topic.

From other cities of Russia they often turn to me with questions about help - how to establish the same society for sports activities for children with cerebral palsy. We are engaged in downhill skiing, but in order for the kids to develop, it is not necessary to go in for downhill skiing. Recently, we have switched to year-round work, our kids are rollerblading, which greatly contributes to skiing technology, but our main idea is not teaching skiing equipment, but improving the health of children. We are engaged in the physical and mental rehabilitation of children with damage to the musculoskeletal system due to cerebral palsy. And we join the Internet network, we have our own information on the Internet, we have created a site through a very long work, and we are contacted about this.

I would also like to emphasize that we are the Snezhok charity ski center for disabled children. We are a charitable organization, we give alpine skiing for free, we train for free. Children who study with us regularly enough are taken to a health camp in the summer, where we have our own health program. According to the vouchers that we win through a competition in the Committee for Family and Youth Affairs.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Boris Vasilievich. Matvey Naumovich from Moscow, please.

Listener: I am a disabled person of the second group. To get to the doctor, we have to come about 15 past seven and stand on the street, wait until the clinic is opened. You understand what's going on! And they give coupons on Monday for the whole week. If you didn’t receive the coupon on Monday, wait again, take the queue for the next week — to donate blood, to see an endocrinologist, to see an ophthalmologist. And such an outrage is everywhere. There are only elderly people in the queue, most of them are disabled, and we stand on the street for an hour and a half in cold weather!

Marina Katys: Matvey Naumovich, your mood and your feelings about this are completely understandable. Alexander Nikolaevich, perhaps in order to solve all these problems related to health care for people with disabilities, it would be worthwhile to go, in particular, to the Moscow government with a proposal to create a separate office for people with such a specific health, so that people didn’t stand in line for a coupon to see a doctor for two hours?

Alexander Moshkovsky: Health care is one of the weak points in the life of people with disabilities. You know that a reform of the healthcare system is underway - Zurabov is carrying it out. It does more harm to people. I share the concern of people who talk about how hard it is to get to the clinic today. Yes, it's hard to get to a specialist. Yes, it's hard to get to the local doctor. For our part, we are raising this issue with the Department of Health, it is planned to hold a meeting this year on the issues of servicing people with disabilities in our medical institutions, because many visually impaired people experience a lot of negativity in these clinics.

I would also like to add about computers. Indeed, our society today has a well-developed computer network, we have very advanced people with disabilities who use computers. The government has allocated money for us, over these 5 years we have installed more than 200 computers for specialists - these are lawyers, programmers, teachers. People with disabilities use the Internet - although, of course, there is practically no free Internet, this is also an expensive pleasure for people with disabilities. But there is an exchange of information, there is a club "Integration", where our disabled people communicate like computer users. There are special programs for scoring programmed access to computers.

Marina Katys: For visually impaired people.

Alexander Moshkovsky: And for the totally blind, there are special stitches made in Germany. So we are working in this direction, and we, the disabled in Moscow, have successes.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Alexander Nikolaevich. And Alexander from St. Petersburg, please, you have the floor.

Listener: When I see a disabled person or an elderly person who finds it difficult to cross the road, I will never pass by, I will definitely help. I just feel my responsibility to him as a member of society. And I want to tell the disabled that there are people on the street who will definitely help you. Maybe it will be pleasant for them to hear. Thank you.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Alexander. At least, I am very pleased to hear this, because, indeed, a kind attitude towards people who are already living hard is very important in modern society.

And we are listening to Alla Yakovlevna from Moscow.

Listener: Hello. I am a disabled person of the first group, a wheelchair user, I am 70 years old, I am a doctor. Twice a month, there is no one to take me to the clinic, and I have to go two stops to get medicines. And I wanted to ask Boris Vasilyevich, maybe he will share how he enters the transport. I cannot go through the turnstile, I ask you to open the middle door for me, and often the driver does not open, and I stay at the bus stop. And in the same way - in the metro, it happens that the attendants are simply mocked: the card did not work - "I will not open the grate for you, go to another - attach the turnstile and go through." Is there any regulation on this topic?

Boris Minenkov: Unfortunately (or fortunately) I don't use a stroller yet. It is very difficult for me to walk, it is difficult for me to walk more than 100 meters, I walk on crutches, but mostly I move around the city by car, thanks to him I completely lead a lifestyle the same as when I was a healthy person. And I can only sympathize with you. I am also soon 80 years old, we have lived our lives, and we just need to find strength in ourselves.

Marina Katys: Thank you, Boris Vasilievich. Alla Yakovlevna walks around the city on crutches, and how to solve these problems (what did you talk about, Alexander Nikolaevich), when modern transport does not provide for the fact that people with disabilities can use it? Perhaps, it is really worth you, the head of the Moscow organization of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, to send a letter from your organization to the Moscow government? Because these turnstiles interfere not only with people on crutches, but also with people who have poor or no vision.

Alexander Moshkovsky: We are doing a lot in this direction. We had a big meeting at the Moscow Department of Transport, last week there was a meeting in the Metro with the chief engineer, and we outlined all these problems. The metro has asked us for a two-week deadline, and almost all issues of passage in the metro for disabled people will be resolved. We are having difficulties in the Metro with the passage of the escorts. There is a decision of the Moscow City Duma that the accompanying person has the right to go with a disabled person of the first group of vision and any disabled person of the first group for free, but the mechanism was not thought out, and we had to pass by these attendants, who for some reason are always very excited and greeted us very unfriendly. So the work is underway, and I think that in the near future measures will be taken on land transport - this is how we are assured.

We are now waiting for a big meeting on land transport, we have prepared our proposals. But it is practically difficult to talk about canceling the turnstiles. They just do not know how to deal with the so-called "hares", and they came up with such a method of struggle. It is beneficial for transport workers, they collect more money.

Marina Katys: Thank you.

Responsible law enforcement agencies, called upon to understand the reasons for the protracted conflict and give them a legal assessment, unfortunately, carelessly wash their hands, which further exacerbate the confrontation. In search of justice, invalids turned en masse to the Kremlin, to the Administration of the President of Russia, to the General Prosecutor's Office, and to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but "VOS is still there." It is clear that the important persons who are on the Olympus of the authorities are concerned about elections and other state affairs, but the blind Russians did not fall from the moon either. And they also require attention to themselves. The most desperate of them intend, in search of the truth, to organize a string of protests in the cities of Russia.

The presented publication is an attempt, relying on figures and facts, to open the eyes of officials and politicians to the grievances faced by the visually impaired. And thus initiate investigations by the competent structures of the activities of the VOS, created for the comprehensive rehabilitation, employment and social protection and integration of the visually impaired. A professional audit of the organization, established 92 years ago, will help not only to improve the atmosphere in it, removing the centers of abuse, but also to significantly modernize it, taking into account the requirements of the new time.

Some - tops, others - roots

The bone of contention, first of all, was the colossal (tens of times, and in some cases almost a hundredfold) gap in the salaries of managers and ordinary blind workers of the All-Russian Society of the Blind. At the disposal of the editorial office there is a certificate of income of a number of leaders of this organization. So, for example, the total amount of income of the President of the VOS Alexandra Neumyvakina in 2014 amounted to 4,583,777.87 rubles, vice president Lydia Abramova- 3 474 298.06, vice president Vladimir Sipkin- 3 209 474.34, head of the personnel department Vladimir Ruzlyaev- 1 679 451.41. In 2015, the total income is, say, Alexandra Neumyvakina increased to 4,948,896.1 rubles.

At the same time, the blind, working at many VOS enterprises, receive 2,500 - 5,000 rubles a month. A mockery of common sense is also the salary of 7,000 - 9,000 rubles for the chairmen of local organizations. And the salaries of 20,000 - 30,000 rubles for the chairmen of regional organizations are also absurd, the chairman of the Moscow city organization of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, unanimously said in an interview with our correspondent. Alexander Moshkovsky; Member of the Council of Veterans at the Moscow City Organization of VOS Victor Donskikh; veteran of VOS, candidate of economic sciences, disabled person of group I Veniamin Kuznetsov; chairman of the local organization, deputy of the Duma of the city of Ermolino, Kaluga region Alexander Rakovich.

According to them, the total amount of funding for the apparatus of the Central Board of the VOS is at least 170,000,000 rubles a year, which is about 50 percent of the total budgets of the regional organizations of the VOS. At the same time, the statutory goals of the VOS are not being implemented. Visually impaired people are often, in fact, just a cover for tax breaks and government subsidies.

“It is very important to understand that we are the ones who are directly involved with visually impaired people in the field, but we don’t get a dime from the budget to work with them,” says Alexander Rakovich... “We work only for what we get from sponsors, and the money that is allocated by the government goes to some unknown place, we are not told about it.” “VOS receives from the state treasury to its centralized budget up to 700 million rubles a year,” adds Alexander Moshkovsky... "Now the state partially returns to us the taxes paid, but where exactly they go, we again do not know."

The audit conducted by the Accounts Chamber of the effectiveness of state support for VOS for 2012-2014 showed that more than half (of the received 1.5 billion rubles) of the money allocated by the state, the VOS management spent on the maintenance of premises, buildings and a vehicle fleet, one might say, on its comfortable service. ... And “0” rubles for the creation of jobs for people with disabilities and for social assistance, judging by the data of the department's report on the results of the control event “Checking and analyzing the effectiveness of state financial support for socially oriented non-profit organizations in terms of granting them subsidies from the federal budget in 2012-2014 ". Is it necessary to prove that this grossly violated the basic principle of social justice?

Of course, information about a multiple gap in the incomes of managers and ordinary employees of the VOS became publicly available on the Internet and caused indignation among many members of the VOS.

“At first, the leaders of the VOS denied this information, but then, under the pressure of the facts, they were forced to admit it, claiming that everything was being done within the framework of the law. So, Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin, speaking on Radio VOS on July 8, 2016, admitted the fact of fabulous payments in December 2014, but tried to substantiate their legitimacy. He said that he was getting a 30 percent salary increase for combining the post of chief of civil defense of the VOS. Why, one wonders, for combining only this position ?! He could just as well appoint himself as his assistant or anyone else. All this is very doubtful from the point of view of legality, ”says Alexander Moshkovsky.

“And he also claims that such high amounts were formed due to bonuses received for effective work, including for the profitable work of VOS enterprises,” he echoes Veniamin Kuznetsov... - However, all this does not correspond to the real facts. According to the results of work in 2014, for example, VOS enterprises received about 100 million rubles in losses, and the number of visually impaired working at VOS enterprises has significantly decreased. And this is despite the fact that enterprises received annually from the federal and regional state budgets hundreds of millions of rubles in subsidies for the preservation and creation of new jobs for the visually impaired. And is it even possible to consider the fact that many people, working in enterprises, receive a salary from 2,500 to 5,000 rubles, can be considered employment at all! "

How not to please a dear little man!

Despite the huge costs for the Central Administration of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, there are currently practically no competent specialists in it who are able to develop and carry out examination of modern business projects, as well as to organize a modern system of employment of the visually impaired. The situation is aggravated by the dominance of the closest relatives of A. Ya. Neumyvakin in the leading positions of the VOS. Of course, with very high salaries.

“Today, in the VOS system, when hiring specialists (and especially for managerial positions), absolute preference is given to the relatives and friends of the VOS president. At the same time, a frank conflict of interest is completely ignored, ”writes in his appeal to the General Prosecutor of the Russian Federation Y. Ya. Chaika dated 04.10.2017 a visually impaired Alexey Cheremush, the general director of the institution "Music-Variety-Rehabilitation Center" of the Moscow State Organization of Education VOS, with a request to conduct an objective check of the legality of the actions of the President of the VOS A.Ya. the rights of the blind to employment in the All-Russian public organization of disabled people "All-Russian Society of the Blind" Order of the Red Banner of Labor (VOS).

Given the official nature of the letter, it makes sense, without further ado, to quote it. “Under the direct supervision of the President of the VOS A. Ya. Neumyvakin, about a dozen of his closest relatives work in leading positions,” the document says. - For example, daughter of the President of the VOS,Svetlana Skrabets, is the general director of the NU "Sports and Rehabilitation Hotel Complex VOS", and another daughter,Nikonorova Lyudmila Alexandrovna, is the administrator of the same hotel. At the same time, the hotel systematically receives funding from the VOS budget.

Granddaughter of the President of the VOS,Skrabets Marina Valerievna, is the head of the kennel "Russian school for training guide dogs VOS", and her husband,Semenisty Sergey Vladimirovich, works as a chief physician at the same school. This structure also receives funding from both the state and the budget of the VOS.

Son-in-law of the President of the VOS,Skrabets Valery Igorevich, is the Deputy Director of the Department for Property and Property of Regional Organizations and Non-Commercial Institutions of the VOS. It is the key body for managing the real estate of VOS, where arbitrariness reigns.

Second son-in-law,Nikonorov Eduard Nikolaevich, is the Assistant to the General Director for General Issues of LLC "Office for Buildings Management" (VOS is the sole founder).

President's nephew,Kovalev Sergey Egorovich, is the head of the Social Development Department of the VOS administration apparatus, and daughter-in-law,Kovaleva Oksana Alekseevna, is directly subordinate to him as the deputy head for sports of the same department.

Another nephewPrimakov Alexander Alekseevich, is the Deputy Head of the Department for the Development of Cooperative Relations and Exhibitions of the VOS Administration Office.

The VOS has established a practice according to which the closest circle of A. Ya. Neumyvakin transfers their posts by inheritance to their closest relatives. For example, vice president of VOSSipkin Vladimir Vasilievich transferred his previous position General Director of KrasTEM LLCto his brotherSipkin Petr Vasilievich, which is now under his direct subordination.

Former director OOO NPO Avtopromagregat Donskikh Valentin Kuzmich transferred the position to his son Donskikh Igor Valentinovich. Deceased's position General Director of LLC "Bankon" Perezhilin Alexander Nikolaevich inherited his son Perezhilin Vadim Alexandrovich, who also (by inheritance) replaced his father and in office member of the central board of VOS .

The peculiarity of these inheritances is that they are observed, as a rule, at large enterprises (annual revenue from 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 rubles), which are controlled directly by the president of the VOS A. Ya. Neumyvakin.

From all of the above, it is clear why, in October 2016, hundreds of visually impaired people turned to Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin with a request to intervene and save the All-Russian Society of the Blind from complete embezzlement.

We, the visually impaired, really hope that the state authorities will hear our prayers and come to our aid.».

Judging by the situation, they haven't heard yet. It is known that nepotism, nepotism, and protectionism have been practiced at all times when appointed to the civil service in Russia. Very caustically this tradition about 200 years ago was ridiculed by Alexander Sergeevich Griboyedov in the satirical comedy of mores “Woe from Wit”: “When I have servants, strangers are very rare, / More and more sisters, sister-in-law of the child; / One Molchalin is not my own, / And then that is business. "

These words belong to Pavel Afanasyevich Famusov, a middle-class nobleman who appears in the play as the main preacher of the ideas of the “past century”, an opponent of enlightenment and everything new, since all this poses a threat to his well-being. Appointments based on the kinship principle are also quite acceptable in the “present century” of Russia, it is enough to look at the career and kinship ties of the ruling elite of the Fatherland. However, judging by the official letter addressed to the Prosecutor General of Russia, this is the first time I come across such a scale of nepotism and disregard for the norms of morality and law in the conduct of personnel policy, as it is implemented in the VOS. It seems that the competent authorities will nevertheless check the stated facts and give them a proper assessment, otherwise there is a suspicion of encouraging or patronizing some mafia corruption.

What is behind Neumyvakin's commerce?

Little impunity over time gives rise to unlimited permissiveness. Something like this happened in the All-Russian Society of the Blind with the sale of property.

“The lack of control of the authorities of A. Ya. Neumyvakin resulted in scams with the sale of VOS real estate. In 2011, a criminal case was initiated against him on the fact of the sale of industrial premises in Moscow through a “one-day” company at an underestimated (at least one hundred million rubles) price. By a court decision, A. Ya. Neumyvakin was removed from the duties of the president of the VOS. In the future, he managed to achieve the termination of the criminal case, but the fact of the sale of the VOS property through a “one-day” firm with great damage to the Company did not disappear anywhere. Visually impaired people would like to know who stole the huge funds of VOS? There can be no such thing when there is a fact of huge damage, but there are no guilty ones. The members of the VOS very much hope that the law enforcement agencies will nevertheless clarify this situation, which I wrote to both the Prosecutor General's Office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. This criminal case, in essence, saved the Moscow real estate of VOS from a total sale. However, after a few years, Neumyvakin's desire to sell the common property at his own discretion prevailed again, ”says Veniamin Kuznetsov.

“In 2015, a land plot of about 2 hectares with buildings with an area of ​​3000 square meters in the Krasnodar Territory in the city of Gelendzhik at Gogol Street, 7 was sold for 50 million rubles at a cadastral value of about 75 million”, - joins the conversation Alexander Moshkovsky... “This site was located 600 meters from the sea, - specifies Veniamin Kuznetsov... “It could be used to create a much-needed summer recreation center for visually impaired people with a small and quickly recoupable cost.”

And this, they say, is not the only piece of maritime territory sold for next to nothing. There are also many questionable sales in Moscow. They sold, for example, the Rassvet store, where people with disabilities could receive rehabilitation products at cost. They also recalled the land plot sold two to three times lower than the market value in 2016 in the town of Stupino near Moscow on Kalinina street, property 1.

“You probably guess that Neumyvakin did not sell at all because of his naivety or ignorance of prices,” emphasizes Veniamin Kuznetsov... - This deal clearly showed not only the arbitrariness he was doing, but also his personality. He ordered the sale of the land plot, allegedly on the basis of the decree of the central board of the VOS dated September 24, 2016. However, the central government not only did not make such a decision, but did not even discuss it. Thus, we are talking about outright falsification of documents. And how many other facts of illegal sale of real estate were there that we do not know about? This can only be established by a thorough check by law enforcement agencies. "

According to Veniamin Kuznetsov, real estate owned by VOS is a powerful "financial instrument", the competent use of which is a collateral for obtaining loans, for attracting investors, for creating joint ventures, organizing a large dealer network - can become the basis for the development of the Company. At the present time, he noted indignantly, “dumb” sales and “plugging of holes” are taking place, but after all, real estate is finite, with what will future generations of visually impaired people remain?

Particular indignation and bewilderment of the visually impaired, according to my interlocutors, is the construction of a new building in the sanatorium "Solnechny Bereg" in Gelendzhik. “The huge expenses for this construction, and more than 500 million rubles have already been spent, have neither commercial nor social meaning,” notes Alexander Moshkovsky... "It only gives a good reason to cast a shadow over the wattle fence in the use of WOS financial resources, including those allocated by the state."

“From a social point of view, the huge costs for the construction of a new building are absolutely absurd, since even the existing possibilities of the sanatorium for the improvement of the blind are used by a maximum of 30 percent,” develops his idea Veniamin Kuznetsov... - I'm talking about social vouchers at the expense of the state. At the expense of VOS, vouchers are allocated only to members of the central board of VOS. Ordinary members of the VOS, even when buying vouchers at their own expense, are forced to pay the market price, like any casual passer-by. At the same time, the sanatorium, it should be emphasized, receives subsidies from the budget of the VOS ”.

If we judge the construction from a commercial point of view, then its payback, according to the calculations of the deputy of the State Duma, vice-president of the VOS Oleg Smolin, is 120 years old, as he announced at the XXII Congress of the VOS on November 15, 2016. Veniamin Kuznetsov I am sure: the construction costs are absolutely not recoupable. “If we take into account the fact that the sanatorium“ Solnechny Bereg ”receives annually tens of millions of rubles in subsidies from the VOS budget,” he argues, “there can be no talk of any recoupment at all. The commissioning of the new building will only lead to an increase in budget subsidies. All this is beyond the bounds of elementary logic and common sense. Right now, Neumyvakin has signed an agreement on the construction of a cable car over a sanatorium for the blind. This is either absolute stupidity or outright theft. "

In a written statement, again addressed to the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Yu. Ya. Seagulls he indignantly asks: “What kind of“ would-be managers ”are leading this project? What has VOS received (or will receive in the near future) from the already invested colossal (in comparison with its budget) funds? Maybe the revision commission has already considered this problem or was a professional audit of the implementation of the project called "construction of the century" in Gelendzhik carried out on a land plot that belongs to VOS on the right of ownership? The secret is sealed with seven seals. And he reminds: in state structures, for such "efficiency", at best, they are fired for inconsistency with the position held, and more often than not, criminal cases are initiated. In commercial, where economic efficiency of the invested funds is at the forefront, such people are kicked out in disgrace.

"Construction" in Gelendzhik, - calls out Veniamin Kuznetsov the head of the main supervisory body of the country, - requires a particularly careful professional check - it was too often contracts were concluded with various contracting construction organizations, and those, in turn, with subcontractors, and the latter safely disappeared. How much money was lost and wasted irrationally as a result of careless and sometimes criminal management of those responsible from the VOS, can only be revealed by checking the relevant competent authorities! "

Who is who?

We have highlighted only three aspects of the problems faced by visually impaired people. And then there are sanatoriums subsidized by the state for them, where for the most part they can get only by buying a voucher at a commercial price. There is also the problem of full-fledged employment, education, which is not available to all people with disabilities. There are grievances and suffering invisible to the world, caused to them by the indifference of the sighted state power. If it were otherwise, the Kremlin administration would not have answered the requests of disabled people with formal replies, they say, sort it out yourself - this is your internal affair, we have no right to interfere, and from law enforcement agencies - that the letter has been submitted for consideration by the district police officer. And then there is the humiliation received from their own brothers in misfortune, who seemed to have fully experienced the whole tragedy of blindness and compassionate according to the law of mutual assistance. Russians, who were not affected by the fate of visual disability, do not even suspect the severity of the helplessness that is generated by the injustice in all its manifestations that reigns in VOS.

“I have been a member of the VOS for more than half a century, since 1963,” says a member of the Council of Veterans at the Moscow City Organization Victor Donskikh... - During this time, he was both a worker of the enterprise, and a director, and deputy chairman of the Moscow city organization, that is, he went through all the stages of the Society's activities. At that time, his primary structures, which were both in enterprises and outside enterprises, have always enjoyed authority with people. In solving many issues, they were stronger than the trade unions, because they could influence the actions of the administration if it made decisions that infringe on the interests of workers or the disabled. Today, under the established authoritarian order of management in the VOS, primary organizations are not put into anything, since their opinions do not mean anything for the leadership. For example, I do not feel that VOS protects my interests as a disabled person. One has only to express openly his opinion about this or that problem, you immediately become an enemy of the Society and you will be crushed. So it turns out that I, a formal member of the VOS, on my own, but the top leadership of our Society, for which I, in Dostoevsky's language, “a trembling creature”, is in itself. I have never experienced such derogatory disdain for myself as I do now. "

“Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin has been running the Company for over 30 years, since 1985. During his permanent leadership, VOS turned into private property. People with disabilities are just a screen covering the exclusive enrichment of the president of the VOS, his relatives and druzhbanov, ”states Veniamin Kuznetsov... His position is shared by Alexander Moshkovsky, a member of the Society since 1967: "All decisions on the board of the VOS are made by people dependent on Neumyvakin, who are afraid to spoil relations with him and lose their salaries, and therefore do not want any changes at all." Alexander Rakovich He sees the root of evil in the uncontrolled arbitrariness of A. Ya. Neumyvakin, who is already 78 years old with all the personal consequences arising from his age. "If an active person appears on the horizon of the current president of the VOS, who tries to resist all this, raises uncomfortable questions," he emphasizes, "then they immediately begin to oust him, frighten him with various consequences, up to the initiation of criminal cases for libel." By the way, Alexander Rakovich,Veniamin Kuznetsov and Alexey Cheremush we have already encountered this directly.

Any dissent, and even more so an objection to the decisions of the President of the VOS, my interlocutors assert in solidarity, are declared treason and slander. The most active and principled members of the VOS are excluded from the Society.

To facilitate and simplify reprisals, a provision was included in the latest edition of the VOS Charter giving the central board the right to exclude any member of the VOS from the Society for any reason. Thus, for example, the legal requirement to publish the salaries of the senior management of the VOS is declared incompatible with the membership of the VOS. A striking example of this is the reaction to the appeal of the Youth Forum of the Disabled in Moscow.

“In 2016, the Moscow Forum of Young Visually Impaired Visitors appealed to the central board of the VOS with an appeal to make a decision on the mandatory publication of the income of the president and vice-presidents of the VOS. In response, the youth were declared blackmailers, and insults and threats were made at us, ”recalls Alexander Moshkovsky.

To give the appearance of legitimacy to outright repressions, a special "ethics commission" was created, consisting mainly of employees of the central board of the VOS (judging by the list of relatives and friends of A. Ya. Neumyvakin). This commission is empowered to monitor the implementation of the VOS Charter. Can you guess who will control whom and for what purpose? It has already been dubbed the "Inquisition".

The complete inconsistency of the current leadership of the VOS was demonstrated by the regular reporting and election XXII Congress of the VOS, which took place on November 15, 2016. The overwhelming majority of the delegates to the congress were heads of regional organizations and enterprises of the VOS, absolutely dependent on the president of the VOS. It was at the congress that the updated Charter of the WOS was adopted, transforming the Society of the Blind, in essence, into a totalitarian sect. The Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation not only refused to register the new charter, but also questioned the legality of the congress itself. Thus, the current leadership of the VOS is essentially illegal, conclude the opponents of A. Ya. Neumyvakin, and has no right to lead the All-Russian Society of the Blind.

And what will the state authorities say, observing the invisible civil strife of the VOS? Deputy of the State Duma, Vice-President of the VOS Oleg Smolin speaking at the same XXII Congress, he noted that the current situation in the Company is clearly unfavorable and requires radical changes. Actually, his speech developed the positions that he outlined back on February 25, 2016 in an open letter to the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, members of the central board of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, members of the central board of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, members of the central board of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the members of the central board of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the heads of regional and local organizations of the VOS, delegates of the regional conferences of the VOS, members of the All-Russian Society of the Blind: extremely difficult. Of the one and a half hundred enterprises, more than half are unprofitable, and only about a third are profitable (excluding income from rental of premises). The organization's budget is clearly not sufficient, and salaries in regional organizations are unacceptably low. A program of action in the new conditions and urgent measures to ensure the viability of the WWTP are needed ”.

Isn't it time to dot the i's in the protracted who's who debate?

Pavel Anokhin

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The VOS consists of about 200 thousand people. His enterprises employ about 5 thousand people (at the beginning of the reign of A. Ya. Neumyvakin - more than 52 thousand). 15 thousand disabled people work at enterprises outside the VOS.

Bureaucracy is evident: the question of the disabled person and the formal replies to officials

The Holy Trinity, represented by the president of the VOS Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin, the vice-president of the VOS Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev, the chairman of the Moscow city organization Alexander Nikolaevich Moshkovsky, publicly dealt with the leader of the OUR PRAVO organization, Sergei Anatolyevich Novikov. Obviously, this trinity was not affected by the text of the resolution itself, but by the publication of the text on the Internet.

"Alexander Yakovlevich:

Sergey Anatolyevich, here are those who took part in that conference. And they will confirm that there was no such decision. The text that you submitted for discussion was not supported by the conference. Whether the level of the leadership of the VOS corresponds or does not correspond to the situation - it will be determined by the delegates of the congress from all over the country. People who are elected as delegates should not be considered stupid. These are serious, hard-working people who have their feet firmly on the ground. There is also a commission to amend the charter of the All-Russian Society of the Blind. Various proposals are received there. Last time, more than 150 amendments were adopted by the congress. Please, if you have any suggestions - send. No one has ever thrown these proposals into the trash can, they were all considered. "

Vshivtsev is right about one thing - the delegates to the VOS congress are not stupid enough to contradict the president and discuss anything publicly. Including amendments to the Charter.
For some reason, I was able to participate in the discussion of the law "On social services in the Russian Federation", but as a member of the VOS I was deprived of the opportunity to participate in the discussion of the draft Charter of the VOS. Hypocrites, and nothing more.

In order to make it completely clear how sincere the trinity was, I will give a couple more paragraphs as an example.

"- I will answer this question to you this way. Firstly, the president does not appoint a salary for himself, the congress appoints the salary for the president. The procedure for appointing the president's salary is as follows: this figure is increasing. That's all. This is the salary of the president. "

This means that some general director of the UPP has a salary higher than that of the president of the VOS. Consequently, Mavzilya Akhmadeevna Yudina, the chairman of the SOO VOS, a member of the CP of the VOS and the chairman of all supervisory boards of business entities, receives even less.

Did A.Ya. Neumyvakin?

Perhaps not. You ask me how much I earn at the "RZSI" LLC.
My answer in Neumyvakinski is the rate of the first category of 3500 rubles. And this is true, but not all.

What prevented VOS Neumyvakin from simply announcing his income for the year as president of VOS?

Vshivtsev told the whole world that the chairmen of the Regional Organizations of the VOS have their own percentage with the money raised from donors. In the Sverdlovsk region, this percentage reaches 25 of the total. Whether MA Yudina receives her interest, I do not know.

Who do they give more to?

After all, donors or sponsors naively believe that all the money is spent on the statutory needs of the organization.
The Russian government returns 300 million rubles to VOS. If this is the merit of A.Ya. Neumyvakin, then calculate what his possible bonus is.

Vshivtsev publicly stated that last year sponsorship funds were collected in the amount of 800 million rubles. What is the increase to the "small" salaries of VOS leaders?

You object. Of course, ordinary members of the BOC also receive bonuses. Yes, they do.
So in 2009, a member of the Revdinskaya MO VOS received an award of 7,000 rubles for the fact that she was able to attract 30 thousand rubles for the celebration of the "elderly person". Moreover, the award was paid from other sources, and all 30 thousand were spent on the above holiday.

Despite the fact that the decision was taken unanimously by all the bureaus, the regional board decided to relieve N.Yu.

“Today we can proudly report that the enterprises are on their feet. Yes, our wages, of course, lag behind the level of Gazprom, Khimprom, and so on. But we have only a few enterprises working on three days. And the rest are working A full working week. The workers receive twelve thousand and more. Even the disabled. But, of course, there are also eight thousand salaries, and there are enterprises where only three thousand are paid - for a part-time week. The average salary of a disabled person is seven and a half thousand. in Moscow - 8600. Here you are, please, the data "

For ten years, every year RZSI LLC has been switching to part-time working hours for half a year. So this year, the two-day session was supposed to last from January 11 to July 11. I am absolutely confident that next year will not be an exception. Because it is considered good form at VOS enterprises to get into a worker's pocket without paying downtime due to the fault of the employer.

"Now about what salaries are assigned to specialists in the All-Russian Society of the Blind. Since the administration is reproached for this. One of our employees has a daughter who works as a leading specialist in the Russian Railways company, her salary is 45,000 rubles. The chief specialist receives 76,000 rubles. Now ask the question: how to attract specialists who work in the administration and in the regions. So take this into account. There are real figures, there is a budget, everything is spelled out in the reports. Nobody hides this. "

Almost a year ago, a commission from the AU VOS conducted an audit of the activities of the Sverdlovsk Regional Administration. I made a request to the VOS AU through the reception desk of the VOS website. Of course, I didn’t get any help. Go to the official website www.soovos.narod.ru and see for yourself what is published for public consumption.

"Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin added:

Over the past six months, six people have left because of the low salary. "

The situation at our enterprise is no better. It got to the point where the first group of visually impaired people work as auxiliary workers, transporters, loaders, technicians, elevator operators, controllers and even fitters, adjusters.
All the remaining specialists are of retirement age. Standing specialists have been working outside the enterprise for a long time, or even themselves are our competitors. Only blind workers have nowhere to go.
Including because such as Neumyvakin declare that only VOS enterprises can provide jobs for the blind. Give us money and we will create 50 jobs at each SCP.

And finally, a couple of numbers, which are not customary to talk about publicly, while they are on the official websites of the VOS.

Sverdlovsk regional organization
In total, registered with SOO VOS as of 01.01.1999. includes 10006 visually impaired people.

Sverdlovsk regional organization VOS.
In total, registered with the organization as of 01.09.2010. consists of 6907 members of the VOS.

Quite interesting statistics. Is it possible that in 10 years more than 3000 registered invalids have received their sight or died out. Or maybe our medicine has reached such a level that citizens in the Sverdlovsk region have ceased to go blind. Or maybe those who were taken into account simply did not want to deal with VOS. The fact that society is aging is clear to everyone and does not require proof. VOS is dying out, and there are more and more blind people in the country.

THERE ARE PROBLEMS - WHO IS TO SOLVE THEM?

On March 25, in the auditoriums of the REACOMP Institute, a meeting of the leaders of the society with blind specialists and students, members of a local organization, called RIT in the old fashioned way, took place. This meeting was attended by: VOS President Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin, VOS Vice-President Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev, Chairman of the Moscow City Organization Alexander Nikolaevich Moshkovsky. The meeting was also attended by a bureau and a large group of members of the organization. The meeting was moderated by Natalya Lavrova, chair of the organization's bureau:

Agenda. The first question: the text presented by Sergei Anatolyevich Novikov at the reporting and election meeting of our organization on February 4, 2011. I think that most of those present have already read this text. Then at the meeting we decided that this text will be discussed at an expanded meeting, to which we will certainly invite Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin. We have kept this promise.

There are certainly enough problems in the life of society, but it is surprising that Sergei Novikov in his letter focuses exclusively on accusations and searches for malice in the actions of the VOS leadership. Of course, in arithmetic, which we know from elementary grades, two times two are always four, but Sergei Novikov has long been an adult, moreover, a historian by training, and it’s hard to believe that he still hasn’t figured out that in life’s circumstances twice two is not always four. In his text, Sergei appears to us as a kind of idealist, and we have a question: is this his idealism not malicious? ..

The presenter gave the floor to VOS President Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin:

We will discuss the statement made by Sergei Anatolyevich collectively. Questions were asked and they must be answered so that there are no doubts. I am a supporter of the fact that all questions need to be answered clearly and concretely, so that there are no doubts and no misinterpretations.

(From the text of Sergei Novikov): “Resolution on the work of the Central Committee of the VOS and the President of the VOS, Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin. Sergei Anatolyevich Novikov's project. This conference of the Local Organization of Intellectual Workers and Students gives us a reason to express our assessment of the work of the Central Committee of the WOC and the President of the WOC before the XXI Congress of the WOC. We express our deep concern that, despite the previously adopted resolutions, the sale of funds belonging to the Company, in which the labor of several generations of blind people is materialized, is steadily continuing. "

Foundations are the property of the Society, which we defended during the perestroika period. They wanted to divide and distribute this property since 1992. We have preserved this property. Not a single public organization or even a state structure did this. I set a task: the property should belong to one person. And this face is the All-Russian Society of the Blind. And we have fulfilled this task, we have privatized everything exclusively to the All-Russian Society of the Blind. And so far this property does not have a single shareholder. And this is documented. We achieved through the State Duma the transfer of land to our ownership. This is also the capital, property of the Company.

As for the implementation. My colleagues are sitting here: the chairman of the Moscow organization, and Vladimir Sergeevich, and the employees of the institute - they will not let me lie. Our property is different. It was built from the 50s to the 80s. This property must be put in order. Some buildings and premises had to be either demolished, or sold, or reconstructed. We had no other choice then.

As a leader, I clearly and specifically outlined the task: to clean all areas of rubbish, to bring each structure into proper order, so that each enterprise would be aesthetically beautiful both outside and inside. We created a property list, privatized it and issued a document called "Regulations on the property of the All-Russian Society of the Blind." It spelled out how to maintain the property, how to lease it, sublease it, how to sell it, if necessary.

The implementation procedure is as follows. The chairmen of local and regional organizations, together with the directors at the supervisory board, discuss each object: is it necessary or not. An independent appraisal of this property is being carried out. The supervisory board examines property that, in the opinion of local structures, is subject to sale. Then a request is drawn up to consider this issue to the owner - that is, to the All-Russian Society of the Blind. I sign the resolution and send it to the specialists of the property department of the Administration, and they are already preparing documents together with the supervisory board. Thus, this property is being sold. The funds are transferred to the account of the All-Russian Society of the Blind; from these funds, money is already given centrally for the development of enterprises.

My surname is Kushtov, I am a visually impaired group I. I have a question about the Rassvet store.

The store was located near the Studencheskaya metro station, at 20 Kievskaya Street. We rented this premises. I give my word that the store will work and will sell tiflotechnical means.

(From the text of Sergei Novikov): “In order to secure an overstated salary, which does not correspond to the general state of affairs of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the President of the VOS Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin and many employees of the central board belittle the role and importance of the chairmen of the Society's primary organizations, forcing them to work practically on a voluntary basis ".

I will answer you this question as follows. Firstly, the president does not appoint his own salary; the congress appoints the salary for the president. The procedure for appointing the president's remuneration is as follows: the average salary of directors of all educational and production enterprises of the All-Russian Society of the Blind is taken and this figure increases by 15 hundredths. Everything. This is the salary of the president.

Secondly, with regard to local organizations. Dear colleagues, name me at least one other public organization in Russia that pays salaries to specialists from local organizations. There are no such. At VOS, the salary of specialists from local organizations is on average 7 thousand rubles. The salary is assigned in accordance with the average salary in the regions. We take this into account every year. We never get down to business if we don't have the funds.

VOS Vice-President Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev continued:

- To date, 692 out of the total number of local organizations are supported by the budget of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, 32 organizations - at the expense of local budgets, 121 organizations - at the expense of enterprises, and 38 work on a voluntary basis. The latter are those organizations, the number of which is up to 50 people. That is, at the group level.

Now about what salaries are assigned to specialists in the All-Russian Society of the Blind. Once the government apparatus is reproached for this. One of our employees has a daughter working as a leading specialist in a Russian Railways company, her salary is 45,000 rubles. The chief specialist receives 76,000 rubles. Now ask the question: how to attract specialists who work in the administration and in the regions. So consider this. There are real figures, there is a budget, everything is spelled out in the reports. Nobody hides it.

Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin added:

- Over the past six months, six people have left because of the low salary.

Sergei said that he has specific documents that can confirm all this. It seems to me that you can say a lot of things in absentia and discuss a lot….

- Let him bring these documents to me. Do you understand that a public organization is being sown with mud ?!

(From the text of Sergei Novikov): "With the blessing of the president of the VOS, Neumyvakin Alexander Yakovlevich and other members of the Central Committee, an unhealthy climate has developed in the organization, for criticism they are persecuted, and progressive stagnation in work."

We have a charter. The charter provides for by-laws. I think that the lawyers present here understand this system very well. We have a statute in the charter of a local organization, a statute on elections.

As for the persecution. Tell me, who exactly is the president pursuing for criticism?

Sergey Novikov:

You say that my statements are unfounded. I can present a letter from our comrades from the All-Russian Society of the Blind about the chairman of one of the regional organizations. Namely about Skorobogatov. They took the provision on the regional organization of the VOS and, relying on this provision, showed the full depth of stagnation in the work of the structure.

As for the persecution. I do not claim that the president is personally persecuting. We were approached by a comrade from the Penza organization, who was expelled from the All-Russian Society of the Blind. He appealed to the Central Board on several occasions. There are also a number of cases of exclusion for criticism and persecution for criticism. For example, Sergei Baryshnikov in the Ryazan organization, who even filed a lawsuit. There are a number of other examples. And this is just the tip of the iceberg that is known about. We received an appeal from members of the All-Russian Society of the Blind from the Nizhny Novgorod region, where, as they believe, an amateur choir was disbanded due to criticism of the leadership of this organization. And this practice, unfortunately, is observed in many organizations. But when people turn to the Central Board of the VOS with a desire to figure it out, they look for some kind of intercession in the Central Board, they do not find it there ...

I do not leave a single appeal that comes to us unanswered ...

And further. Sergei Anatolyevich, you say: "We have been contacted." What does it mean: "to you"? Who is this for?

Sergei Novikov replied:

Applications came to my e-mail address or to my postal address, as to one of the coordinators of the Public Movement of Disabled People "Nashe Pravo".

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev explained:

As for Baryshnikov. A criminal case has now been opened against him, he beat the secretary. It is important. There are two more criminal cases that are currently being investigated, concerning the forgery of financial documents. This is also a very interesting situation. Further. There were violations in the work of the regional organization, the person did not submit reports to the Central Board. We have received two requests from Altai. The first concerns the violations that were committed at the group level during the event. The second concerns directly the work of the regional organization. Local organizations appealed directly to both the president and the head of the regional organization. We have these letters in our Office. Sometimes they write to us about Kemerovo, there are also questions there. Representatives of the Central Control and Auditing Commission came there, they confirmed the correctness of the decision to expel a number of comrades from the VOS members.

I have a request: if you are going to support someone, you must first carefully understand the situation!

(From the text of Novikov): “The VOS, giving priority attention to tax refunds and other forms of state assistance, is completely insufficient in advocating the rights and interests of the blind against such antisocial initiatives of the ruling party as the draft law on education, reducing compensation for independently acquired technical means of rehabilitation, deterioration of conditions for rest and some others. Moreover, instead of actively protesting against these initiatives, the Central Board, headed by Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin, pushed through a decision on political cooperation between the VOS and the United Russia party.

Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin:

And with whom would you advise us to conclude an agreement?

Sergey Novikov:

And what did this agreement give in general?

The State Duma positively resolved issues related to the financing of the rehabilitation center, the return of funds - we are receiving 300 million today. Providing Braille and Other Literature ...

Cooperation is and will be! As for the rallies. While I am at the head of the VOS, I will not send a single blind person to the rallies! After all, a person may not return from this meeting. We must work in dialogue.

It's not for you, Sergei, to reproach me! You personally witnessed my speech at a meeting with Mironov, at which I again spoke about typhlotechnical means. If you don’t remember, read it ... Or do you only read the proclamations of those people who are suing our Society?

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev asked Sergei Novikov in response:

Sergey Anatolyevich, I have a counter question for you: what do you yourself constantly do in United Russia? Come to meetings?

I came to United Russia at the invitation of Deputy Terentyev for a meeting of his group. As for the public movement of disabled people "Nashe Pravo", it did not enter into any political deals and has always stated its position directly on the issues that are noted here. Here, look, a very simple moment. The law, according to which compensation for technical means of rehabilitation is now not in full, but in partial. Is there a statement on this issue from the All-Russian Society of the Blind? Not…

Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin objected:

Who told you?

Novikov continued:

If so. There should be a resonant appeal from a public organization, otherwise who will pay attention to it? It's not about shaking the air, but about concrete steps. What has been done by the All-Russian Society of the Blind to prevent this bill? But there was a collection of signatures, a number of public organizations of disabled people took part in this. What is the role of VOS?

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev replied to this remark by Sergei Novikov:

A whole action was carried out, starting from Karachay-Cherkessia, in all our regional organizations. We raised the question to expand the list of technical means of rehabilitation. And these issues were discussed at the parliamentary level, there are reviews ...

Sergei Novikov objected:

Vladimir Sergeevich, that's another question ...

Vladimir Sergeevich explained:

I disagree. It is somehow strange that you separate one from the other ...

(From the text of Novikov): “VOS does not show due interest in the development of domestic production of typhloproducts and the creation of conditions for the provision of modern domestic and foreign typhloproducts to the members of the Society. VOS's refusal to master the modern world format of Desi's talking book turned out to be a big mistake. And most of the talking books are recorded in the so-called protected lkf format. "

Sergey Novikov explained:

I had to get acquainted with the work of tiflomagazines in a number of countries, and it was simply a shame to look at what is there and what we have here. For some reason, the Royal National Institute for the Blind in England takes care that the blind have a tactile clock, but in Russia, in the All-Russian Society of the Blind, they do not. And we don't have a watch. And there are no other products. I believe that the responsibility for this, first of all, lies with the Central Board and, mainly, with the leadership of our Society.

Alexander Yakovlevich objected:

We have a watch.

You are in favor of switching to the Desi system. How can you understand? On the one hand, you stand up for doing your own thing, and at the same time for pulling from the west. I am a member of the European Commission. The last apparatus, which was made on the "Logos", I brought to the meeting. And I liked this device very much.

The European Union of the Blind is pushing the Desi system, or rather a number of Western companies are pushing it through them, because it is beneficial for them: expanding the market, receiving orders.

Sergei Novikov objected:

Two words about the Desi format. Any talking book without the Desi format has certain limitations that do not allow for high-quality recording of reference books. Such as dictionaries, encyclopedias and so on. The Desi format allows you to play the recording in fragments. And this fragmented ability to play the recording contributed to the spread of this format so much that even the Japanese company Olympus, which has nothing to do with the European Union, is using it today.

I want to express myself for the fact that issues related to the recording of speaking books should be decided not by two or three aksakals, but by a competent public council, which is aware of world trends. The responsibility for the fact that we missed this format, although the Swedish inventors brought it to us back in 1995, lies with the Central Board.

Vladimir Sergeevich replied:

We have a person responsible for this area, and I believe that esteemed Vice President Stepanov is far from stupid than you and me. And he knows enough what is happening in the world and how these issues are resolved ...

Alexander Yakovlevich added:

We didn’t solve this issue with our own narrow circle. We discussed this issue at the Rit council, the teachers 'council, the mathematicians' council, and so on.

(From Novikov's text): “In the best traditions of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, President Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin and the vice presidents did not and do not show due concern for standardization, regulation and further development of the Russian dotted Braille. And not only literary, six-point, but also computer, eight-point, which provoked the emergence in the field of Braille book publishing of obvious amateurs and outright hack.

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev objected:

We have advices that deal with brailistics. This problem should be discussed by specialists. Recently, a section of mathematicians gathered, and we discussed this issue. As of today, proposals should come from you first. We are discussing this issue at the Reacomp Institute. Here is a positive example, when we bring together interested people in the Reaompa building, a discussion is taking place. To date, there is already a decision and a resolution of the section of mathematicians to make a separate scholar on braille issues at Reacomp. We have specialists who could substantiate the problems that have arisen and give them a really serious assessment. Only in this case can we defend our interests at the state level. There should be not only words, there should be well-reasoned documents.

Sergey Novikov:

But back in 2009, at a conference that was jointly organized by the Reacomp Institute and the Russian State Library for the Blind, the question was raised that it was time to create a braille council, as has been done in a number of countries where such standardization is needed. and unification was comprehended. But the council has not yet been created. And the promises continue to this day ...

I had to take part in the typhloss council, which was collected by Vladislav Sergeevich Stepanov. I took part there not because I am a member of this council, but because I was sent there from Repro instead of the late Stanislav Ivanovich Klepikov. I several times raised the question that standardization needs to be done, reorganization needs to be done ... Stepanov replied that the question was not ripe, and so on.

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev continued:

In order for there to be reasoned proposals, they must be prepared. And in order to prepare them, you need to gather specialists who understand what it is. Only in this case can you butt with the state and discuss something substantively. Everything else is just philosophy and a meeting.

(From the text of Novikov): “Despite the decent efforts of the apparatus of the Central Board of the All-Russian Society of the Blind, the general situation at the enterprises of VOS continues to deteriorate. The volume of production, wages, and the number of blind people employed in production are decreasing, many of whom are used only as “dead souls”.

Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin replied:

You are misinformed. Despite the crisis, in 2010 our enterprises showed a 22% increase in production, and the level of wages also increased. But the number of employees has indeed declined. Only at the enterprises working with the auto industry, it was necessary to cut one thousand and one hundred people of the blind.

Today we can proudly report that the enterprises are on their feet. Yes, our salaries, of course, lag behind the level of Gazprom, Khimprom, and so on. But we have only a few enterprises operating on a three-day period. And the rest work full time. Workers receive twelve thousand and more. Even disabled people. But there is, of course, eight thousand salaries, and there are enterprises where only three thousand are paid - for a partial week. The average salary of a disabled person is seven and a half thousand. And in Moscow - 8600. Here you are, please, the data.

(From the text of Novikov): "The leadership of the VOS, due to its departmental, corporate limitations, does not show due concern for the employment of blind and visually impaired members of the Society."

- Where did you get such data? Ask any chairperson of a regional organization, or local organization, who is in charge of employment? This is what our entire system is doing. But everything does not always work out. It has always been like this.

Sergei Novikov said:

I am ready to answer. In the 90s, an active policy of job creation was carried out, and a system of job quotas for people with disabilities was in place. And jobs were created. But after several jobs that existed then in the reference service of the main civil aviation agency were liquidated as a result of the fact that this service was privatized, and the new owner ditched it, you gave an interview in which you said that we needed to work in Society. At the enterprises of VOS, however, mostly handicraft work is going on. That is, there is a certain isolation on oneself, Alexander Yakovlevich.

Vladimir Sergeevich said:

From 2007 to 2010, according to our data, more than 11,000 people were employed with the support of the organization. More than 5,000 people visit our factories. This work is underway.

(From the text of Novikov): "With an increase in the number of visually impaired people in Russia, the number of members of the VOS and the authority of this organization continue to decline."

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev objected:

For your information, on the contrary, the number has increased. Today - 212 359 people. A few years ago there were only 200 thousand. So one cannot say that everything is falling and everything is falling ... There are more “local” examples. The Dagestan organization has grown by 1200 people, the Krasnodar organization has grown by 800 people.

(From the text of Novikov): “The All-Russian Society of the Blind has been driven into an obvious dead end by both its past and current leadership. Increasingly, we are simply ashamed of the level of such leaders as Neumyvakin, Abramova and Vshivtsev, who have repeatedly demonstrated elementary professional incompetence. "

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev asked a counter question:

Sergey Anatolyevich, who are you? Chairman of the State Attestation Commission? For your information: I am a state official of the highest category, I have been certified by the state. I have been awarded six orders. They were given to me for my professional skills, for my work. This means that the state considered my level to be sufficient. For your information, I also have a difficult life path.

If you criticize someone, you should at least know what the person does in general. You assure me today that production has started. That I didn’t see Stepanov’s work, I didn’t see the work of Oleg Nikolaevich Smolin. Although I never tore myself away from the team and never tear myself away. There is a Central Board that makes decisions.

You begin to characterize people indiscriminately. I can speak to you in the same way. Only I don't want to do this.

Alexander Yakovlevich Neumyvakin continued:

Since my name is at the top of the list, I will also say that the assessment is given to me by those leaders of the state with whom I have been working over the years. I am doing my duty honestly.

The chairman of the Moscow city organization Alexander Nikolaevich Moshkovsky entered the conversation:

The RIT report and election conference did not support this resolution. We asked to invite Alexander Yakovlevich to an extended meeting of the Bureau and answer all your questions.

Alexander Yakovlevich:

I answered. The question is, what right did Sergei Novikov have after discussing this issue at the conference, in general, to independently publish this text of his?

Sergey Novikov answered this:

Alexander Yakovlevich, it was decided to hold an extended discussion using Internet resources.

Vladimir Sergeevich Vshivtsev objected:

Sergey Anatolyevich, here are those who took part in that conference. And they will confirm that there was no such decision. The text that you submitted for discussion was not supported by the conference. Whether the level of the leadership of the VOS corresponds or does not correspond to the situation - it will be determined by the delegates of the congress from all over the country. People who are elected as delegates should not be considered stupid. These are serious, hard-working people who have their feet firmly on the ground. There is also a commission to amend the charter of the All-Russian Society of the Blind. Various proposals are received there. Last time, more than 150 amendments were adopted by the congress. Please, if you have any suggestions - send. No one has ever thrown these proposals into the trash can, they were all considered.

Yes, we have problems. Naturally, they need to be dealt with. Unfortunately, there are enough examples when we discussed the problem, and then in the end there is no one to solve - everyone scatters. And then they say: "It is in the Central Board to blame." Example? The people sitting here probably remember the situation when it was proposed in St. Petersburg to create an Internet cafe. I have agreed to be in charge of this project. I went to St. Petersburg, met with the mayor, with the heads of the districts. Deal. And people disappeared. When it comes down to it, there are no people.

Have questions. Certainly. There are problems with typhloids. Braille. So let's solve these problems specifically. If we can get the solution to at least one of these problems off the ground, it will already be good.