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Doctor of Philosophy, Doctor of Philosophy habilitus of the Republic of Poland

Born on August 15, 1941 in Odessa. Served in Soviet army in the GRU troops from 1960 to 1963. Graduated from the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University in 1968. From 1965 to 1967 - worked in the propaganda department of the newspaper " TVNZ". From 1967 to 1970 - in the propaganda department of the Central Committee of the Komsomol. From 1972 to the present - at the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences (formerly IEMSS of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR), from 1986 to 1990 - consultant of the International Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, from 1990 to 1992 from 1992 to 1995 - director of scientific programs of the Gorbachev Foundation. From 1996 to 1998 - editor of the Nezavisimaya Gazeta supplement "NG-scenario". From 1999 to 2007 - political observer " literary newspaper". From 2008 to 2010, he was a commentator on the VGTRK Vesti-24 program.

From 1978 to 1980 - Associate Professor at the Institute of Philosophy and Sociology of the Polish Academy of Sciences. In 1980 he received a full doctorate in philosophy from the Polish People's Republic.

From 1992 to 1993 he was a visiting professor at the Center for Slavic Studies in Hokkaido, Japan, on a scholarship from the Japanese government.

From 1995 to 1996 - Visiting Professor at the Woodrow Wilson Center, Washington, USA, US Congress scholarship.

The book How the Ghost Got Lost, published in 1990 by the Molodaya Gvardiya publishing house, in turn, drew a line under the legal criticism of Marxism in the USSR.

Author of 11 books and more than 200 scientific and journalistic articles. Books by A.S. Tsipko were published in the USA, Germany, Italy, France, Japan and China. Alexander Tsipko's latest book, Values and Struggle of Conscious Patriotism, was published by URSS in 2009.

Currently the chief Researcher Institute of Economics RAS.

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Events

international Conference"Global Challenges for the Economies of Russia and China: Finding Answers"

July 5, 2019 The Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences together with the Academy social sciences The PRC held the Sixth International Scientific Russian-Chinese Conference "Global Challenges for the Economies of Russia and China: Search for Answers" as part of a series of regular scientific events "Russia and China: Strategic Partnership".

V St. Petersburg International Economic Congress

On April 3, 2019, Director of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences E.B. Lenchuk took part in the work of the V St. Petersburg International Economic Congress (SPEK-2019) "Foresight "Russia": the future of technology, economy and man" and made a presentation at the Plenary meeting "Digitalization of the economy: drivers and results".

International competition for the medals of N.D. Kondratiev

International N.D. Kondratieva announces the start of accepting applications for participation in X international competition for the gold, silver and bronze medals of N.D. Kondratiev for outstanding contribution to the development of social sciences. Additionally, a competition of Russian young scientists (under 35 years of age) for the commemorative medal of N.D. Kondratiev.

First All-Russian sociological survey theater audience

Union of Theater Workers Russian Federation together with State Institute of art studies conduct the First All-Russian sociological survey of theatrical spectators. The study is dedicated to the Year of Theater in Russia.

Current interviews and publications

The initiative of Minsk to "freeze" new laws in the EAEU found a rational grain

Expert opinion of the head of the Center for Post-Soviet Studies of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Professor L.B. Vardomsky ( Information Agency Sputnik, May 13, 2019)

How to keep talented youth in science

The Poisk newspaper (No. 13 of March 29, 2019) published a response from the Director of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences E.B. Lenchuk to an article by Academician G.P. Georgiev, dedicated to the problem of securing young people in Russian research teams.

On the specifics of Russian discussions

Article published in Nezavisimaya Gazeta supervisor IE RAS, Corresponding Member R.S. Grinberg “A historical example of how one can argue about the fate of Russia without offending each other. There is no East without the West” (March 25, 2019)

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Alexander Sergeevich Tsipko(August 15, Odessa) - Soviet and Russian social philosopher and political scientist. Chief Researcher at the Institute for International Economic and Political Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Doctor of philosophical science .

Biography

Since January 1992, he took part in the creation of the Gorbachev Foundation, was the director of the foundation's scientific programs. In 1992-1993 he was a visiting professor at the University of Hokkaido (Japan), in 1995-1996 he was a visiting researcher at the Woodrow Wilson Center (USA).

In the 1990s, he began to criticize Russian radical reformers and put forward the ideas of "liberal patriotism". During the mass actions of the Russian liberal opposition in 2011-13. , also criticized the latter, in particular, compared Navalny with Lenin. However, after Euromaidan 2013-14. , the annexation of Crimea to Russia and the conflict in the South-East of Ukraine took a critical position in relation to the Russian authorities, accusing it of restoring "neo-Stalinism" and "neo-Sovietism".

Director of the Center for Political Science Programs of the International Foundation for Socio-Economic and Political Science Research "Gorbachev Foundation", Chief Researcher at the Institute for International Economic and Political Studies (IMEPI) of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

He became the founder of the Return Foundation, founded in December 2006, advocating for the return historical traditions, moral values and names that existed in Russia before 1917 and rejected during the years of Soviet power.

Complete Doctor of Philosophy of the Polish Republic. Fluent in Polish and English.

Some works

history optimism. M., Young Guard, 1974 - 192 p., 50,000 copies.
The idea of socialism: a milestone in biography. M., Young Guard, 1976, 272 pp., 50,000 copies.
Socialism: the life of society and man. M., Young Guard, 1980
Some philosophical aspects of the theory of socialism. M., Nauka, 1983
The origins of Stalinism // Science and life. 1988. No. 11, 12. 1989. No. 1, 2;
On zones closed to thought // Severe drama of the people. M., 1989;
The dialectic of perestroika. M., 1989;
Are our principles good? // New world . 1990. No. 4;
Contradictions of Marxism // Through thorns. M., 1990;
Is a new experiment needed? // Motherland. 1990. No. 2, 3;
The Violence of Lies or How the Ghost Got Lost. M., Young Guard, 1990; - 272 p., 100,000 copies.
Is Stalinism Really Dead? (Is Stalinism dead?) Hazpez. San Francisco, 1990;
Farewell to communism. Tokyo, 1993 (in Japanese);
Slavic anxiety. Sat. articles. M., 1997.

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Literature

Alekseev P.V. Philosophers of Russia XIX-XX centuries. Biographies, ideas, works. 3rd ed., revised. and additional -M.: Academic project, 1999. С.364.ISBN 5-8291-0003-7
Kosolapov R.I. Speech at the "round table" on the topic "Marxism: problems, contradictions, prospects" // Bulletin of the Moscow University. Series Socio-Political Research" 1990. No. 5.

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- I think - no ... - Anna was sad. – She was much stronger than all of us on Earth, and her “test” was much worse than mine, which is probably why she deserved more. Well, she was much more talented, of course ...
But why was such a terrible ordeal necessary? I asked carefully. Why was your Fate so Evil? You were not bad, you helped others who did not have such a Gift. Why did this happen to you?!
- In order for our soul to become stronger, I think ... To withstand a lot they could and did not break. Although there were also many broken ones... They cursed their Gift. And before they died, they renounced him...
– How is this possible? Is it possible to renounce yourself?! Stella immediately jumped indignantly.
– As much as possible, dear... Oh, as much as possible! - quietly said, before that only watching us, but not interfering in the conversation, an amazing old man.
“So grandfather confirmed it to you,” the girl smiled. - Not all of us are ready for such a test ... Yes, not everyone can endure such pain. But the point is not so much in pain, but in the strength of our human spirit ... After all, after the pain, there was still fear from the experience, which, even after death, tenaciously sat in our memory and, like a worm, gnawed the remaining crumbs of our courage. It was this fear, for the most part, that broke people who had gone through all this horror. It was worth after, already in this (posthumous) world, they were only a little intimidated, as they immediately gave up, becoming obedient "dolls" in the hands of others. And these hands, of course, were far from being “white”... So, after that, “black” magicians, “black” sorcerers and various similar ones appeared on Earth when their essences returned there again. Magicians "on strings", as we called them... So, it was probably not for nothing that we passed such a test. Grandpa also went through all this ... But he is very strong. Much stronger than me. He managed to "leave" without waiting for the end. Just like mom did. It's just that I couldn't...
- How to leave? Die before it was burned?!. Is this possible? I asked in shock.
The girl nodded.
But not everyone can, of course. It takes a lot of courage to dare to end one's life... I just didn't have enough... But Grandpa shouldn't be bothered with that! Anna smiled proudly.
I saw how much she loved her kind, wise grandfather... And for a brief moment my soul felt very empty and sad. It was as if a deep, incurable longing had returned to her again ...
“I also had a very unusual grandfather ...” I suddenly whispered very quietly.
But bitterness immediately squeezed my throat, and I could no longer continue.
- Did you love him very much? the girl asked sympathetically.
I just nodded in response, indignant at myself for such an "unforgivable" weakness...
Who was your grandfather, girl? the old man asked kindly. - I don't see him.
“I don't know who he was... And I never knew. But I think that you don’t see him because after death he came to live in me... And, probably, that’s why I can do what I do... Although I can, of course, still very little. ..
- No, girl, he just helped you "open up." And everything is done by you and your essence. You have a big Gift, honey.
– What is this Gift worth if I know almost nothing about it?! I exclaimed bitterly. “If you couldn’t even save your friends today!?”
I frustratedly flopped down on the fluffy seat, not even noticing its “sparkling” beauty, all offended at myself for my helplessness, and suddenly I felt my eyes sparkle in treachery ... But I can’t cry in the presence of these amazing, courageous people why I didn’t want to! .. Therefore, in order to somehow concentrate, I began to mentally “grind” grains of unexpectedly received information in order, again, to hide them carefully in my memory, without losing a single important word without missing any clever idea...
How did your friends die? the witch girl asked.
Stella showed the picture.
“They might not have died…” the old man shook his head sadly. “There was no need for that.
- How could it not have happened? - the disheveled Stella immediately jumped up indignantly. They were saving others good people! They didn't have a choice!
– Forgive me, little one, but THERE IS ALWAYS THE CHOICE. It is only important to be able to choose correctly... Look, and the elder showed what Stella had shown him a minute ago.
“Your warrior friend tried to fight evil here just as he fought it on Earth. But this is already a different life, and the laws in it are completely different. Just like the other and the weapon... Only you two did it right. And your friends are wrong. They could live a long time... Of course, every person has the right to free choice, and everyone has the right to decide how to use his life. But that's when he knows how he could act, knows everything possible ways. Your friends didn't know. Therefore, they made a mistake and paid the highest price. But they had beautiful and pure souls, so be proud of them. But now no one will ever be able to return them ...
Stella and I were completely limp, and apparently in order to somehow “cheer us up”, Anna said:
“Do you want me to try calling my mother so you can talk to her?” I think you would be interested.
I immediately lit up new opportunity to find out what I wanted!.. Apparently Anna managed to get to the bottom of me completely, since this was really the only means that could make me forget everything else for a while. My curiosity, as the witch girl rightly said, was my strength, but also my biggest weakness at the same time ...

In 1968 he graduated from the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University. In 1965-1967 he worked in the newspaper "Komsomolskaya Pravda", in 1967-1970 - in the Central Committee of the Komsomol. Since 1972 he has been working at the Institute of International Economic and Political Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences (formerly the Institute of Economics of the World Socialist System of the USSR Academy of Sciences).

In 1978-1981 - Associate Professor at the Institute of Philosophy and Sociology of the Polish Academy of Sciences. In 1986-1990 - consultant of the department of socialist countries of the Central Committee of the CPSU. In 1988-1990 - Assistant Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU A. N. Yakovleva.

In the 1990s, he began to criticize Russian radical reformers and put forward the ideas of "liberal patriotism".

He became the founder of the Return Foundation founded in December 2006, which advocates the return of historical traditions, moral values and names that existed in Russia before 1917 and were rejected during the years of Soviet power.

Complete Doctor of Philosophy of the Polish Republic. Speaks Polish and English.

Compositions

The origins of Stalinism // Science and life. 1988. No. 11, 12. 1989. No. 1, 2;
The dialectic of perestroika. M., 1989; Are our principles good? // New world. 1990. № 4;
Contradictions of Marxism // Through thorns. M., 1990;
Is a new experiment needed? // Motherland. 1990. No. 2, 3;
Violence lies or why the ghost got lost. M., 1990;
Is Stalinism Really Dead? (Is Stalinism dead?) Hazpez. San Francisco, 1990;
Farewell to communism. Tokyo, 1993 (in Japanese);
Slavic anxiety. Sat. articles. M., 1997.

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Biography

He became the founder of the Return Foundation, founded in December 2006, advocating the return of historical traditions, moral values and names that existed in Russia before 1917 and were rejected during the years of Soviet power.

Complete Doctor of Philosophy of the Polish Republic. Speaks Polish and English.

Some works

history optimism. M., Young Guard, 1974 - 192 p., 50,000 copies.
The idea of socialism: a milestone in biography. M., Young Guard, 1976, 272 pp., 50,000 copies.
Socialism: the life of society and man. M., Young Guard, 1980
Some philosophical aspects of the theory of socialism. M., Nauka, 1983
The origins of Stalinism // Science and life. 1988. No. 11, 12. 1989. No. 1, 2;
On zones closed to thought // Severe drama of the people. M., 1989;
The dialectic of perestroika. M., 1989;
Are our principles good? // New world . 1990. No. 4;
Contradictions of Marxism // Through thorns. M., 1990;
Is a new experiment needed? // Motherland. 1990. No. 2, 3;
The Violence of Lies or How the Ghost Got Lost. M., Young Guard, 1990; - 272 p., 100,000 copies.
Is Stalinism Really Dead? (Is Stalinism dead?) Hazpez. San Francisco, 1990;
Farewell to communism. Tokyo, 1993 (in Japanese);
Slavic anxiety. Sat. articles. M., 1997.

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Notes

Literature

Alekseev P.V. Philosophers of Russia XIX-XX centuries. Biographies, ideas, works. 3rd ed., revised. and additional -M.: Academic project, 1999. С.364.ISBN 5-8291-0003-7
Kosolapov R.I. Speech at the "round table" on the topic "Marxism: problems, contradictions, prospects" // Bulletin of the Moscow University. Series Socio-Political Research" 1990. No. 5.

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"What happened? And what do they care about me? he thought as he dressed to go to Marya Dmitrievna's. Prince Andrei would have come as soon as possible and would have married her!” Pierre thought on his way to Akhrosimova.
On Tverskoy boulevard someone called out to him.
- Pierre! Have you arrived long time ago? a familiar voice called out to him. Pierre raised his head. In a double sleigh, on two gray trotters throwing snow at the heads of the sleigh, Anatole flashed by with his constant comrade Makarin. Anatole sat straight, in the classic pose of military dandies, wrapping the bottom of his face with a beaver collar and bending his head slightly. His face was ruddy and fresh, his hat with a white plume was put on sideways, revealing his curled, oiled and finely snowed hair.
“And right, here is a real sage! thought Pierre, he sees nothing further than a real moment of pleasure, nothing disturbs him, and therefore he is always cheerful, contented and calm. What would I give to be like him!” Pierre thought enviously.
In the hall, Akhrosimova, the footman, taking off his fur coat from Pierre, said that Marya Dmitrievna was asked to go to her bedroom.
Opening the door to the hall, Pierre saw Natasha sitting by the window with a thin, pale and angry face. She looked back at him, frowned, and with an expression of cold dignity went out of the room.
- What's happened? asked Pierre, going in to Marya Dmitrievna.
“Good deeds,” answered Marya Dmitrievna, “I have lived in the world for fifty-eight years, I have never seen such shame. - And taking Pierre's word of honor to remain silent about everything that he learns, Marya Dmitrievna informed him that Natasha had refused her fiancé without the knowledge of her parents, that the reason for this refusal was Anatole Kuragin, with whom her wife Pierre had taken, and with whom she wanted to run away in the absence of his father, in order to secretly marry.
Pierre, raising his shoulders and opening his mouth, listened to what Marya Dmitrievna was telling him, not believing his ears. To the bride of Prince Andrei, so much loved, this formerly sweet Natasha Rostova, to exchange Bolkonsky for the fool Anatole, already married (Pierre knew the secret of his marriage), and fall in love with him so much as to agree to run away with him! - This Pierre could not understand and could not imagine.
The sweet impression of Natasha, whom he had known since childhood, could not unite in his soul with a new idea of her baseness, stupidity and cruelty. He remembered his wife. “They are all the same,” he said to himself, thinking that he was not the only one who had the sad fate of being associated with a nasty woman. But he still felt sorry for Prince Andrei to tears, it was a pity for his pride. And the more he felt sorry for his friend, the more contempt and even disgust he thought about this Natasha, with such an expression of cold dignity, who now passed him along the hall. He did not know that Natasha's soul was filled with despair, shame, humiliation, and that it was not her fault that her face inadvertently expressed calm dignity and severity.
- Yes, how to get married! - Pierre said to the words of Marya Dmitrievna. - He could not get married: he is married.
“It doesn’t get any easier from hour to hour,” said Marya Dmitrievna. - Good boy! That's a scoundrel! And she waits, the second day she waits. At least she won't wait, I should tell her.
Having learned from Pierre the details of Anatole's marriage, pouring out her anger on him with abusive words, Marya Dmitrievna told him what she had called him for. Marya Dmitrievna was afraid that the count or Bolkonsky, who could arrive at any moment, having learned the matter that she intended to hide from them, would not challenge Kuragin to a duel, and therefore asked him to order his brother-in-law to leave Moscow on her behalf and not dare to appear to her on the eyes. Pierre promised her to fulfill her desire, only now realizing the danger that threatened the old count, and Nikolai, and Prince Andrei. Briefly and accurately setting out her demands to him, she let him into the living room. “Look, the Count knows nothing. You act as if you know nothing,” she told him. “And I’ll go tell her that there’s nothing to wait for!” Yes, stay to dinner, if you want, - Marya Dmitrievna shouted to Pierre.
Pierre met the old count. He was embarrassed and upset. That morning, Natasha told him that she had refused Bolkonsky.
“Trouble, trouble, mon cher,” he said to Pierre, “trouble with these girls without a mother; I'm so sad that I came. I will be frank with you. They heard that she refused the groom, without asking anyone for anything. Let's face it, I've never been very happy about this marriage. Let's suppose he good man, but well, there would be no happiness against the will of the father, and Natasha will not be left without suitors. Yes, all the same, this has been going on for a long time, and how could it be without a father, without a mother, such a step! And now she's sick, and God knows what! It’s bad, count, it’s bad with daughters without a mother ... - Pierre saw that the count was very upset, tried to turn the conversation to another subject, but the count again returned to his grief.
Sonya entered the living room with a worried face.
– Natasha is not quite healthy; she is in her room and would like to see you. Marya Dmitrievna is at her place and asks you too.
“But you are very friendly with Bolkonsky, it’s true that he wants to convey something,” said the count. - Oh, my God, my God! How good it was! - And taking up rare whiskey gray hair The Count left the room.
Marya Dmitrievna announced to Natasha that Anatole was married. Natasha did not want to believe her and demanded confirmation of this from Pierre himself. Sonya told this to Pierre while she was escorting him through the corridor to Natasha's room.
Natasha, pale and stern, sat beside Marya Dmitrievna, and from the very door met Pierre with a feverishly brilliant, inquiring look. She did not smile, did not nod her head at him, she only looked stubbornly at him, and her glance only asked him whether he was a friend or an enemy like everyone else in relation to Anatole. Pierre himself obviously did not exist for her.

Conversation with a well-known Russian political scientist Alexander Tsipko began unexpectedly for him - with Pushkin. Firstly, the very patronymic of Alexander Sergeevich prompted the first question. And secondly, Alexander Sergeyevich, a political scientist, works as a columnist in Literaturnaya Gazeta, to which Alexander Sergeyevich, the poet, as you know, had a direct relationship.

So, my interlocutor is Alexander Sergeevich Tsipko: Doctor of Philosophical Sciences, author of the books Why I'm Not a Democrat and It's Time to Entrust Russia to the Russians, one of the best analysts on Soviet period Russian history.

"It's amazing: as soon as the Russian intelligentsia gains freedom, it immediately begins to destroy its own statehood"

- Alexander Sergeevich, stupid question. Do you like Pushkin? And when you're in last time read?

I often re-read Pushkin's patriotic lyrics: now I am too politicized to perceive literature as simply beauty - this is the specificity of philosophical thinking. I re-read it for civilian purposes: to show that a genius and a patriot are often combined in one person. All our crazy liberal intelligentsia, which repeats that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels, does not understand that everything great that has been created by world literature in Russian literature has been created by Russian patriots.

Yes, in one of your interviews you said that freedom of speech in Russia is unpatriotic, and that this is a disease of the Russian intelligentsia.

Unfortunately, this is such a tragedy. The fundamental vice of the Russian intelligentsia: as soon as it gets freedom, it immediately begins to destroy its own statehood. This was simply amazingly manifested in 1991, when freedom turned into the trampling and self-abasement of the Russian people. In general, Smerdyakov always acts as the leader of freedom in our country, who says: it is very bad that we have not been conquered. The fate of Russia is an unresolved issue: if a responsible national elite does not appear, which lives by national interests, and which will be able to combine freedom and individual rights with national dignity, we are generally doomed. By the way, I know the Ukrainian elite a little, and I will say that the Ukrainians have an advantage here: the Ukrainian elite can be treated differently, there is a lot of servility in it...

- And provincial.

But the Ukrainian elite is much more connected to its people than the Russian one. We have a wild gap.

As a political scientist, which camp do you consider yourself to be? And which concept do you like the most? Byzantineism, Eurasianism, neoconservatism?

liberal conservatism. As a student, I read “Milestones” with such reverence and delight and realized that Berdyaev, Struve, and Frank were mine. That is, the understanding that Russia is European country, and on the other hand, an understanding of the importance of the state, unique for a Russian person, respect for Orthodoxy, as a state-forming religion. But without extremes - both leftist, and without the ideology of the peculiarity of Russian civilization. I do not think that we are any special, I think that we are worthy, we are equal. Why this vulgar isolationism? There must be conscious patriotism, an understanding of the self-worth of the state and national existence.

- Do you feel comfortable in modern Russia?

Not good. Of course, I am satisfied, I wanted, in the end, I did a lot in my time, so that Russia would become different - not communist. But it scares me that our elite is very selfish, no one thinks about the future - no one correlates their actions and deeds ...

- With eternity?

No, with the life of their state. The fear that it could collapse in one minute sits in me. And the fact that a significant part of the elite is abroad is bad sign, which says that the country has not yet taken place.

-Alexander Sergeevich, you once called Limonov the best writer of our time. Why?

I love him very much as a writer. He is an excellent Russian writer. As a politician, Limonov is simply insane. He is used as a puppet, he torments unfortunate children with this Stalinism: it is clear that especially in youth, especially in an era of timelessness, one must lean against something, but these are all surrogates.

-Are you interested in contemporary mass culture?

No. Time is short, now I have to write an article about perestroika, about the reasons for the collapse of the USSR. Moreover, we, Soviet scientists, are semi-educated: we knew few languages, there were no translations at that time. Now, in old age, everything must be re-read - Carl Schmitt was translated into Russian, which means that Schmitt must be read. And mass culture annoys me. I am a very conservative person: I was raised by my grandparents, who were born in 1880-1890. Peers of Lenin.

- And how would you comment on these terrible postmodern poisonings?

Struggle for power in Russia. in a primitive style. Work against Putin, it's obvious. Unfortunately, the West is reacting to this, because it is interested not so much in Putin leaving as a group of security officials.

-At such a price?

It is about the fate of Russia. And the shooting of the White House is not a big price??? What is Putin's ideology? This is the ideology of the White House, that is, national dignity. I was there and spent several days in the White House. There were no communists there, it was a purely statist approach, the reaction of the patriots: Kozyrev surrenders Russia, it must be defended. Another thing is that people like Anna Politkovskaya, Litvinenko, they should have understood that in this game they would be the first victims. They were used by the forces for which they work.

Will we talk about the collapse of the USSR? You called the collapse of the Union in the form in which it happened the greatest crime.

Of course, the USSR and democracy were already incompatible, but at least everything had to be done according to the Constitution.

-But were you happy when it fell apart?

No. I was a categorical opponent of disintegration. I am a statesman. It is one thing to liberate the country from this politburo, and another... Although now I think that it was not even necessary to touch the CPSU - they would have done like the Chinese, the party of statesmen.

« When Ukraine begins to become a subject, it will look for lines of rejection and rupture from Russia»

- Tell me, are you monitoring the situation in Ukraine?

Yes, sure. I have a feeling that when the Pavlovskys and Markovs stopped dealing with Ukraine, then the development of events began to move in a direction that was beneficial for Russia - some kind of government appeared that was looking for a reasonable compromise between Russia and the West. The problem is that, by its very nature, an independent Ukraine is an anti-Russian Ukraine. Even Trubetskoy in 1911 said that when Ukraine begins to separate and become a subject, it will look for lines of rejection and rupture. But today, a situation where Ukraine would simply become an appendage of Russia is no longer possible.

- Why in the appendage? Could it just become part of Russia?

Impossible. Time needs to pass.

But many people in Crimea, in eastern Ukraine, still live with the certainty that all this Ukrainian independence will pass like a nightmare.

This is silly. On December 1, 1991, you voted in Crimea and eastern Ukraine for sausage independence – they say, we will be fine here, because there is nothing in Moscow. Now where are you going? Arrange a war? It is necessary to look for a historical compromise, so that Ukraine would by no means be a state hostile to Russia. There is no need to break with the Russian ancestry, it is necessary to build a parallel Russian state, relying on the same traditions. You can not give Galicia the right to control the whole of Ukraine. This will destroy and lead to a split.

- Do you think it's still real?

Yes, the danger of a split in Ukraine is decreasing every year. I look at your new generation - it has grown and formed in independent Ukraine. It, oddly enough, speaks Russian, but identifies itself with the new Ukrainian state, and there is no getting away from this.

I often see you at forums and conferences dedicated to Russian-Ukrainian relations. Tell me, do you get something useful from these parties for yourself?

It gives me a lot. As a person born in Novorossiya, as a child of an imperial city, I can't stand the breakup between Russia and Ukraine. Therefore, I must look for some kind of compromise form of interaction for myself, without harshness and extremes, which some Russians love so much. politicians. Both Ukrainophobia and Russophobia are equally stupid - this is a sign of lack of culture.

-And if you knew how such harsh politicians are loved in Crimea...

You love populists because people live with the unrealistic idea that Crimea will become Russian. He will not become Russian, gentlemen, just as he will not return royal Russia. I was also very worried about this: from childhood I did not like everything Soviet, and when I watched a movie, I instinctively rooted for the whites. It's genetic, not philosophical. Another thing is that you should demand from the Ukrainian rulers that it takes into account the interests of the Russian people. This is part of Russia and Russian history. Lead foreign policy Ukraine in accordance with the context of its history - that's what needs to be achieved. And the revision of borders is no longer possible.

-Okay, then how do you see the prospects for Crimea? Second Kosovo? Cypriot version?

The Tatar factor is very dangerous - the struggle of Ukrainian nationalists with Russia by such methods leads to threatening things. Yes, you can do it, like in Kosovo. And it's not even about Crimean Tatars, but in the world Islamic civilization, which will use them as an outpost for advancing its interests.

-Many political scientists say that there is a lot of Sovietness left in Crimea. Do you feel it?

This year, on May 9, I was in Sevastopol, talking with the military ... Indeed, these are abandoned Soviet people. Victims of great political betrayals and intra-Moscow games.

- And in what exactly did you see it?

This was felt in the toasts, in the mood of the Sevastopol residents. These people are a fragment of the Soviet world, loyal to the country, who do not understand that Russia has betrayed them. This is a dying world: after the fall of Rome, there were some enclaves of the Roman Empire. This is very tragic...

- Alas, most of them went beyond Perekop twenty years ago ...

Yes, they do not even feel that Russia is already a different country. Alien to them. Another thing is modern businessmen, they do not have such a strong attachment to the USSR. And on the other hand, I always ask the same Sevastopol people, the military, the question: dear, where were you in December 1991, because Belovezhskaya agreement- this is a coup d'état, why didn't a single cruiser fire, why didn't you show that you were against it? You could protect the country, it would be enough for one ship to disobey. Though a company of soldiers began to defend the USSR? No!

Alexander Sergeevich, as a wise political scientist, please offer us a clear concept - not a shameful one, not a concept from the past, but a pro-Russian ideology connected with the present.

You see, it depends on the current Russian elite. The problem is not only to keep Ukraine in the Russian world.

- I'm not talking about Ukraine, I mean Crimea.

Well, where does the Crimea?! And how is my native Odessa different from you?

- Are you denying the Crimean identity?

Absolutely. Odessa is the same Russian imperial city. And Nikolaev! You made up your own mind.

- Our consciousness is conceptually conditioned, geographically...

You are no different. This is all Novorossiya, the fruit of Russian culture. Here is about the rights of Novorossia, which arose within the framework of Russian Empire, it is necessary to speak.

Crimean regionalism is stupidity, parochialism. It goes against Russian history. Everything connected with the collapse of the USSR is anti-Russian. These ideas could have come from people who do not know Russian history. I still understand when this is beneficial for Ukrainian nationalists, but for those who feel they are part of Russian history...

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